ZeroMatt Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Yeah no big deal. It's not like he ruined people's careers just to keep up the facade. There's been plenty of doping but none of the dopers have been so aggressive and litigious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Yeah no big deal. It's not like he ruined people's careers just to keep up the facade. Sarcasm? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haydon_peter Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 The BBC article I posted earlier has been updated and now includes a video of Oprah confirming that he admitted that he used performing enhancing drugs while she was interviewing him. Either way I think the guy is a legend. I have seen what cancer does to people and lost a very good friend to the disease not that long ago (many of you on here knew him as well). Lance beat it and got back on a bike racing competitively at an international level, even with the use of banned substances I think it's amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Either way I think the guy is a legend. I have seen what cancer does to people and lost a very good friend to the disease not that long ago (many of you on here knew him as well). Lance beat it and got back on a bike racing competitively at an international level, even with the use of banned substances I think it's amazing. I can almost agree with that, but I still think it's disgusting how he let himself be viewed as such an inspiration while doing all that. Actually the more I think about it the more I realize what a repulsive person he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Yeah what he did in cycling was kind of impressive but the way he did it and the type of person he is clearly makes him a grade 1 c@nt who I have zero respect for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Utter scumbag. He had an unfair advantage over those who didn't want to use performance enhancers, or just couldn't afford them, and then claimed for years that he was just superhuman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 He did drugs, so did others. He won, so he was still better than the rest of them. The UCI couldn't catch him at the time, so they should hold their hands up and try harder with the current and next batch of riders. They're too scared to take their part of the responsibility in that this was possible so clearly (as humans) someone was going to do it - they f**ked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Yeh, they're all cheating scum too. Much like speeding, just because everyone does it doesn't make it acceptable. If they just removed all the rules, then there would be no cheating. They'd all die of heart failure at 24, but that would be their choice to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mule Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) to be honest I don't support doping in sports but if ' team mates' knew at the time they should have taken it to the relivent parties at the time. I like the guy, he had a lot happen to him, he over came it and has raised a lot of awareness and funds for charity. I know a lot of people who face half the challenges he did would never work to get that edge back and would use it as an excuse to not bother pushing for anything. Edited January 16, 2013 by Mule 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Even if he did use drugs, I highly respect what he's done with his life. Read his book and he genuinely suffered, one point he turned down a lift from the hospital to his ward or something and it was like a mile walk, he said it was the biggest thing he'd accomplished in a year... A little bit of respect has been lost but he's come a long way for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroMatt Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 to be honest I don't support doping in sports but if ' team mates' knew at the time they should have taken it to the relivent parties at the time. The whole doping thing is no big deal at all, it was widespread in that era. It's how he's implicated with Ferrari etc. and how he's vilified those that did speak out at the time that shows how big of a fanny he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mule Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 it cant be both ways though, its either; a big thing that people should speak out about, or its a minor thing and people who speak out have a higher motive. I think its a big thing and people should have spoken out, before i get miss judged but that is a response from a modern standard people should be judged by the standards of there time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 He did drugs, so did others. He won, so he was still better than the rest of them. The UCI couldn't catch him at the time, so they should hold their hands up and try harder with the current and next batch of riders. They're too scared to take their part of the responsibility in that this was possible so clearly (as humans) someone was going to do it - they f**ked up. They shouldn't really have to though, that's like saying police are to blame for the actions of murderers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Hill Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Live Stream online here http://ownspecial.oprah.com/lancearmstrong.html He just admitted he has used illegal drugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haydon_peter Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Lance-Armstrongs-Confession.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Something to consider is that other highly successful riders have had titles or stage wins stripped due to doping, but the difference here is that when the going was "good" and they were still riding - cheating or not - not many of them used their success to raise millions for charity or be as motivational a figure as Lance was. I don't agree with what he did and all that jazz, but at least he used the position he was in to benefit others. I'm aware that he's obviously dicked some people through his actions, but at the same time I'd imagine the people helped to people screwed ratio would still work out favourably. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualjoe Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 He confesses to doping upto 2005 but denies doping in 2009 and 2010. Keep digging Lance you compulsive liar, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 http://thenorthrace.co.uk/2013/01/livewrong-5-reasons-to-hate-lance-armstrong/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 It still doesn't justify anything although I hope that what's happened will not be detrimental to Live Strong. At one stage he donated 0.5m dollars to the anti doping association. Clever. Perhaps all the good that he's done was a way of redeeming himself for living a lie. It can't be easy knowing that you deserve nothing you've won and that you've stolen numerous titles from athletes who actually earned them through hard work and being honest. I guess this applies to anyone who used doping in road cycling but Armstrong is the most prominent and controversial of them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroMatt Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Something to consider is that other highly successful riders have had titles or stage wins stripped due to doping, but the difference here is that when the going was "good" and they were still riding - cheating or not - not many of them used their success to raise millions for charity or be as motivational a figure as Lance was. I don't agree with what he did and all that jazz, but at least he used the position he was in to benefit others. I'm aware that he's obviously dicked some people through his actions, but at the same time I'd imagine the people helped to people screwed ratio would still work out favourably. What little benefits LiveStrong provides to people with cancer pales in comparison to the money they spend on things which do not. The foundation gave out a total of only $20 million in research grants between 1998 and 2005 and as of 2010, it no longer even accepts research proposals. That $20 million is so much less than has been spent on PR etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 He was my childhood hero, such a shame to see this happen I really hope Chris hoy hasn't doped either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I don't agree with what he did and all that jazz, but at least he used the position he was in to benefit others. But it's relative. Sure he helped the charities using his profile but also pocketed tens of millions of dollars in sponsor money, winnings, legal action and who knows what else. I would love to see him taken through the courts, bankrupted and made sure that he can never compete in any sport ever again. Him and the many people in the background who made it happen- all the dodgy doctors, coaches and whatnot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 With all this doping and what not going on might as well as just say drugs allowed and see what happens, titles don't mean much at this point. Could be fun for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroMatt Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 No, not only because folks would be dying in the dead of night mid tour but for the simple fact that these banned substances affect people to differing degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Slightly off topic, are today's trials riders that compete in UCI events tested for doping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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