SamKidney Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Discs are cool. The Magura MT2's are seriously worth considering being the price they are. They are fantastic right out of the box, insane levels of bite and hold Ive found. Although a Magura/Vee with TNN's Adm pads would amaze you. So powerful. Provide a nice amount of bite on a vee, with all that hold there too. Insane bite on a magura, and still epic hold too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) someone needs to make a test rig to test brakes holding force, its the only way to solve these debates Edited October 7, 2012 by dezmtber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 someone needs to make a test rig to test brakes holding force, its the only way to solve these debates That is a great idea! Something like having the wheel attached to a chain which is attached to a motor, then have a machine use the brake with certain levels of braking input (slowly pulling lever in, quick pulling it in etc). One problem would be when the brake stops the motor the wheel will still be trying to go round... How to counter that without the motor blowing or breaking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 You won't get a better brake for trials than hope trial zone. It's the same every time(awsome) Yea may be there are some brakes out there that have more bite formula the one is amazing but not consistent at all. They just don't slip at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porn* Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Avid ultimate lever/ calliper arms with a slick cable and koolstop pads ran on a smooth rim and a dashing of tar..... I put it to anyone to find a rear brake setup that's more powerful than that....it won't happen I assure you, I've ran that for 4 years whilst trying other peoples brakes and I'm still using it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Avid ultimate lever/ calliper arms with a slick cable and koolstop pads ran on a smooth rim and a dashing of tar..... I put it to anyone to find a rear brake setup that's more powerful than that....it won't happen I assure you, I've ran that for 4 years whilst trying other peoples brakes and I'm still using it Im fairly sure that it wont be as powerfull when the going gets moist though... Fact: My TNN blacks didnt slip once the whole time I ran them. Good going if you ask me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 These any good? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Formula-K18-MTB-Disc-Brake-inc-160mm-Rotor-BLACK-REAR-ONLY-/280910277198?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item41678eaa4e#ht_2490wt_1186 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Formula-rear-disc-brake-/251159532476?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item3a7a4653bc#ht_500wt_969 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Formula-Oro-Disc-Brake-Set-downhill-AM-XC-/190736425237?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item2c68c6e115#ht_500wt_1203 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Formula-K18-MTB-Disc-Brake-inc-160mm-Rotor-WHITE-FRONT-ONLY-/290735757454?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item43b133988e#ht_2490wt_1186 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-Saint-Disc-Brake-Set-F-R-/150919364579?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item23237ebfe3#ht_500wt_1203 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-Saint-Disc-Brakes-M810-Used-Once-RRP-370-/150919103454?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item23237ac3de#ht_500wt_1203 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porn* Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Granted my earlier post is only valid if you ride in the dry, good shout 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-Saint-Disc-Brakes-M810-Used-Once-RRP-370-/150919103454?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item23237ac3de#ht_500wt_1203&clk_rvr_id=395992668832&afsrc=1 These seem a good shout. I'd certainly buy them.... Tempted by a front disc actually.... Get em before I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I was looking at them too... seems super expensive at £100 each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Compared to the price of two new Hope Trial Zones/ Tech Trials however.... £200 for a set of Saints is a fair price I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 You could put a 3 piece crank extractor into the bb axle on a trials bike. And use a huge touque wrench to measure the force required to make the brake slip. And to hold the brake lever use a toe strap or a clamp you could adjust the level of force. It would be very easy to make a rig from an old bike. The only problem would be getting hold of all the brakes and different pad combos to test 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 if you can get saints for £100 each then go with that its the best you will get for a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Some bugger got the pair for 190 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 the thing is, a You could put a 3 piece crank extractor into the bb axle on a trials bike. And use a huge touque wrench to measure the force required to make the brake slip. And to hold the brake lever use a toe strap or a clamp you could adjust the level of force. It would be very easy to make a rig from an old bike. The only problem would be getting hold of all the brakes and different pad combos to test the thing is, a test like that would only test the brake in one direction (IE forwards). Going forwards and having the brake work well (bite) is all well and good for back hopping down slopes, some drop gaps and impressing your friends, but you need a test that allows for backwards power too, like for landing hooks, gaps, taps, sidehops, most natural etc. This is why the magura/v brake argument happens because some people prefer bite as it gives them confidence whereas some people are willing to sacrifice a bit of bite in order to gain better braking power for when you really need it. You just can't beat a v brake for sheer holding power, if I was to build up a bike for comps/tgs I would ride a rear vee without question. As for discs, I was pleasantly surprised by the Magura MT2, it's pretty dam light and comfy yet pretty high on stopping power. I'm not a huge fan of Hope brakes, I've had nearly ten sets now and they all work fine for about 3-4 months, then they just go downhill and I've never found a way to get them working like new again. This has happened nearly ten times! Saints are VERY good, but quite weighty and don't have a split bar clamp (on the newer ones they do though). They suffer a bit from pad wobble, but the power is definitely up there with the best. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Thanks Ali, that cleared up a few things. I noticed nobody has mentioned the magura rim brakes yet, other than you of course. Why is this? Also, I've got a front version of this brake. I took it off the echo 3 months ago and put into a bag, it's still leaking even after a rebleed at my local shop by trusted mates who work there. I think it's coming from the resouvior cap? :/ http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/hydraulic_disc_brakes/hope_tech_evo_v2_rear/c558p11717.html Edited October 8, 2012 by JMCD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Thanks Ali, that cleared up a few things. I noticed nobody has mentioned the magura rim brakes yet, other than you of course. Why is this? Also, I've got a front version of this brake. I took it off the echo 3 months ago and put into a bag, it's still leaking even after a rebleed at my local shop by trusted mates who work there. I think it's coming from the resouvior cap? :/ http://www.tartybike...c558p11717.html I would say because you mentioned that you didn´t like rear Vee when you tried it before. The thing is you can´t appreciate the vee without pushing your limits...That´ s when you realize that bite doesn´t say a thing about power of the brake.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I would setup a rig on a loctited and locknut fixie setup so both directions can be tested. I know this test would only test the holding power of the brake and would not relate any info on how the brakes feel when in use. All brakes setup right and using the right parts, and looked after should give you what you need. A lot of riders find vee or maggy fine. I found them awkward during winter because the constant rain was causing my brakes to creep a lot under hard riding. Using discs I don't get this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I found them awkward during winter because the constant rain was causing my brakes to creep a lot under hard riding. Using discs I don't get this problem. Exactly why I'm considering going with a dual disc mod for winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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