Ben Gosden Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Hi there, in the past two days i've snapped 3 completely different joining links and by different i mean by setup so different thickness design etc. My chain and original joining link had'nt snapped for around 3 months and now it wont stop snapping them links. The last one took roughly five miuntes to break has anyone got any idea's of how to solve this and why its happening? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalRobbo341 Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Use a GOOD link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Gosden Posted October 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Use a GOOD link? Well what is a good link? i've tried three completely different ones all of which where in an almost new condition and one was new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 (edited) Are you using a split link? If so, just join your chain using a good quality chain tool. Far more robust. Edited October 6, 2012 by Echo Lite 09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 New chain is your best bet! I had this with my last kmc where i was too skint to buy a new one and had to join it back together to keep me going whilst it still kept on snapping lol. They say for trials it is advisable to replace your chain every 6 months. As for recommendations on a chain kmc 510 or a 610. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Gosden Posted October 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Are you using a split link? If so, just join your chain using a good quality chain tool. Far more robust. Yeah thats what has been snaping every time, I may have to try that. Thanks New chain is your best bet! I had this with my last kmc where i was too skint to buy a new one and had to join it back together to keep me going whilst it still kept on snapping lol. They say for trials it is advisable to replace your chain every 6 months. As for recommendations on a chain kmc 510 or a 610. New chain is your best bet! I had this with my last kmc where i was too skint to buy a new one and had to join it back together to keep me going whilst it still kept on snapping lol. They say for trials it is advisable to replace your chain every 6 months. As for recommendations on a chain kmc 510 or a 610. Yeah thats what im running but the problem is its the joining links snapping not the chain, thats what i dont understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Always a good idea to join it without one. Theyre substantially weaker than a normal chain link. Dead easy to do with a good chain tool. Fat Spanner do a great tool, and Ice Toolz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Apologies mis read the post haha.. I use a split link on mine. The traditional style one below. Not to keen on these pull n snap style links lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Gosden Posted October 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Always a good idea to join it without one. Theyre substantially weaker than a normal chain link. Dead easy to do with a good chain tool. Fat Spanner do a great tool, and Ice Toolz yeah im going to give it a go, but is the any downside's of doing this? Apologies mis read the post haha.. I use a split link on mine. The traditional style one below. Not to keen on these pull n snap style links lol No worries haha, yeah i snapped 2 of these one's. one was the original and one was almost new and then i tried the snap style link shortly after and it literally snapped within like 5 minutes. (pretty annoying) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 No downsides, only upsides. Better, stronger join in the chain. More hassle to join up, but thats minor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 DONT use split links , just get new chain and push link out so that its still in a little bit then link together and push in from other side with chain tool (hard to explain sorry) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Gosden Posted October 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 No downsides, only upsides. Better, stronger join in the chain. More hassle to join up, but thats minor. Oh sounds like a win win kind of thing then, thanks alot . DONT use split links , just get new chain and push link out so that its still in a little bit then link together and push in from other side with chain tool (hard to explain sorry) Yeah i think after what ive now been told this is the best thing to do i just hope it does work. Cheers for helping . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filo Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I know everyone is advising against it. I still use the quick links. I have no issues using them. I always break chains wheRe I have joined them "the correct" way. I've tried heaps of differently chain breakers with no luck,I don't push the pin all the way out either. I use the kmc 510hx with the joining link included. What's your chain line like? How old is your chain? What's your chain tension like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 They say for trials it is advisable to replace your chain every 3 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I have been using sram split pins for 6 years now without fail, and on the trial bike the kmc710sl hollow pin chain and using the split pin with no problems a all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlperkins Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) I used a split link for about a year on a trials bike with no problem. Then i bought a new kmc 610hx and joined it properly.. Still no problem. Im a lucky boy i guess Edited October 7, 2012 by Carlperkins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraPalmer Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I always break chains wheRe I have joined them "the correct" way. I've tried heaps of differently chain breakers with no luck,I don't push the pin all the way out either. then you clearly haven´t tried a Rohloff Revolver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gage-mann Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I the kmc610 but the pins dont stick out from the link plates that much compared to the bigger kmc 510 so I use the kmc 510 and join the links together with the chain tool and make sure theres an even amount of pin showing either side of the chain link, and if your still paranoid use some mole-grips to slighty "mushroom" the pin heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315r Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 KMC Kool Chain without split link. Epic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Never had an issue running a split link for a year, just don't be a mong and fit it properly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I have no issues using them. I always break chains wheRe I have joined them "the correct" way. I've tried heaps of differently chain breakers with no luck,I don't push the pin all the way out either. You're doing it wrong then. Even with the most basic chain tool you can join up a difficult chain like the K810 without any problems. The key is to push the pin in straight and when it rests against the outer plate of the link, don't push it through just yet but remove the chain from the tool and give it a nice waggling in all directions. You need to observe the link when pushing the pin through it, it must not bend. If you force it through, tiny cracks appear that are visible under a magnifying glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I wouldn't risk the splitting link, they normally snap before the other links on the chain You need this chain http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mobile/MobileModels.aspx?ModelID=25433 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filo Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 You're doing it wrong then. Even with the most basic chain tool you can join up a difficult chain like the K810 without any problems. The key is to push the pin in straight and when it rests against the outer plate of the link, don't push it through just yet but remove the chain from the tool and give it a nice waggling in all directions. You need to observe the link when pushing the pin through it, it must not bend. If you force it through, tiny cracks appear that are visible under a magnifying glass. I doubt I'm doing it wrong, I was concerned about that. A good mate works in a bike shop for 15years and I asked him to show me the correct technique, how I was doing it was fine. The k810 have been one of the worst chains I've used. I've splayed the links many times,not where I joined them either. Snapped plates and sheared pins all while riding. The only chains I can use must have riveted pins and a quick link. Joined chains just fail on me. My best effort was snapping 3 different chains in one day. Since it works I'm not changing anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraPalmer Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 with the tool I posted you can rivete the pins again... but as long as quick links work for you, why bother anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I doubt I'm doing it wrong, I was concerned about that. A good mate works in a bike shop for 15years and I asked him to show me the correct technique, how I was doing it was fine. The k810 have been one of the worst chains I've used. I've splayed the links many times,not where I joined them either. Snapped plates and sheared pins all while riding. The only chains I can use must have riveted pins and a quick link. Joined chains just fail on me. My best effort was snapping 3 different chains in one day. Since it works I'm not changing anytime soon. Urm no your not joining it right if it's not snapping the actual chain. Join it as normal then try using a ball peen hammer and mushroom the ends of the pin over. Or use a rohloff chain tool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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