Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 No, SOME of the blame would be with her. She could have made it a safer environment. Look, our opinions are different so let not keep clogging this thread up with you arguing with my views. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Ok. You won't mind if I come and set fire to your house then; after all, it will be your fault for not making it fireproof It's not just me disagreeing with your opinions. That's what forums are for... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Ok. You won't mind if I come and set fire to your house then; after all, it will be your fault for not making it fireproof ...its not just me disagreeing with your opinions. That's what forums are for... If the house was unattended, then there was nobody to put the fire out. And if someone was home the fire could have been prevented. You must have some kind of mental problem, You think it's okay to leave a 5 year old girl unattended when it's getting dark? if you think that NO blame lies with the parents then you are a fool. I know it's what a forum is for, but that's beside the point if we're going round in circles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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george_seamons Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 At no point have I said no blame lies with them. It is NOT their "fault" she was abducted. It is the guy that took her who is at fault. She was not unattended anyway, hence the witness statements. You make it sound like she was on her own stood in the middle of a field with a big flag saying "PLEASE TAKE ME"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 At no point have I said no blame lies with them. It is NOT their "fault" she was abducted. It is the guy that took her who is at fault. She was not unattended anyway, hence the witness statements. You make it sound like she was on her own stood in the middle of a field with a big flag saying "PLEASE TAKE ME"! At no point have I said that ALL of the blame lies with them. So thanks for reading the thread. I make it sound how it was, a child who was unattended being abducted. That's about the sort of input I'd expect from you. Idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 That's about the sort of input I'd expect from you. Idiot. Hmmm nibble, I'll take the bait but I'm not biting the hook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Lololol, Luke, you're a douche. Of course she should be able to play unsupervised in her own garden without being kidnapped, she's 5, not a baby. I used to go out riding my bikes when I was 7, and I had just about as much chance of defending myself against nasty blokes as when I was 5. Age is irrelevant, fact is that wierd bastards who like kiddies can overpower any child, whether they're 5 or 15. It's unfortunate, but it's so rare that it's not worth everyone living their lives in fear to avoid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Lololol, Luke, you're a douche. Of course she should be able to play unsupervised in her own garden without being kidnapped, she's 5, not a baby. I used to go out riding my bikes when I was 7, and I had just about as much chance of defending myself against nasty blokes as when I was 5. Age is irrelevant, fact is that wierd bastards who like kiddies can overpower any child, whether they're 5 or 15. It's unfortunate, but it's so rare that it's not worth everyone living their lives in fear to avoid it. Read the thread. She wasn't in her garden.Just can't believe people are justifying the fact she was out that time of the evening on her own! I think it's crazy, but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 I presume that you have always lived in a town Luke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 I presume that you have always lived in a town Luke? No I've lived in small villages like Stithians and Budock Water in Cornwall, and a flat in East Molesy in London. The full spectrum really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) Then surely you will understand that it is perfectly normal and acceptable for a child to be out on their bikes with friends playing in the evening? If you lived in a built up town then yeah, fair enough. But somewhere rural and otherwise safe such as this I can't see any reason why you wouldn't see it as ok. Up until this event of cause. It's not like it was an outsider either; if it was the guy they have at the moment then he's lived there for years and is known by everybody. The strange twist in the whole story for me is the parents evening at school; I wonder if there was some issue with the children at school or between the parents. All very strange. Edited October 5, 2012 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) Read the thread. She wasn't in her garden. He probably has, because the conversation between you and George went to gardens too, and you being as much as a cotton wool fanatic about that too. Children of people like you are the ones who end up being sluts and druggies. Sounds ridiculous, but most of that sort of stuff comes from going too far into 'freedom' from their parents once they finally get it. Same principle with girls from all-girls schools. Edited October 5, 2012 by JD™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Then surely you will understand that it is perfectly normal and acceptable for a child to be out on their bikes with friends playing in the evening? If you lived in a built up town then yeah, fair enough. But somewhere rural and otherwise safe such as this I can't see any reason why you wouldn't see it as ok. Up until this event of cause. It's not like it was an outsider either; if it was the guy they have at the moment then he's lived there all his life and is known by everybody. Yes, but someone always had their eye on us we were never untended and never when it was dark. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. The strange twist in the whole story for me is the parents evening at school; I wonder if there was some issue with the children at school or between the parents. All very strange. Not heard about this, but it seems he's being questioned on suspicion of murder now and not Kidnap. He probably has, because the conversation between you and George went to gardens too, and you being as much as a cotton wool fanatic about that too. Children of people like you are the ones who end up being sluts and druggies. Sounds ridiculous, but most of that sort of stuff comes from going too far into 'freedom' from their parents once they finally get it. Same principle with girls from all-girls schools. No problem with freedom at all, I was just saying that in my opinions that if a pedo can get close enough to your kids without you realising then you're parenting needs to be questioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 No problem with freedom at all, I was just saying that in my opinions that if a pedo can get close enough to your kids without you realising then you're parenting needs to be questioned. I honestly can't think of anything more worthwhile to say than "That's completely ridiculous" because I know you won't listen to anything else anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 JD, that is SO true! An ex of mine had parents who were REALLY strict. She had to be home before 9:30 every night, I was NEVER allowed in her bedroom, as well as loads of other ridiculous rules. Bearing in mind I was 18 (nearly 19), and she was 17, I thought this a touch over protective! She since went to uni, and went MAD at the sight of alcohol, drugs and nights out. She partied so much, and so hard that she ended up failing her degree. She wasn't a dumbass either, she was an A* achieving student. All because her dad never let her have any freedom. f**k letting my kids end up like that!Also, many of the dirtiest slutty whores I know went to all girl boarding schools. Never seen such cock-gobblers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 I honestly can't think of anything more worthwhile to say than "That's completely ridiculous" because I know you won't listen to anything else anyway. I'm all ears Jason. I know it's only my opinion, and obviously many of you think that I'm completely wrong. I've spoken to a few parents now who seem to agree with what I'm saying, so maybe I'm putting my point across in the wrong way on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 That's absolutely ridiculous. Just because this appalling event happens sometimes, it doesn't mean all children should miss out on getting muddy and learning things for themselves from an early age. I don't think I'll be letting my future 5 year olds play out after dark on their own, but that doesn't mean they'll be chained to me 24/7. Exactly, especially when the gulity party here is manic who snatched April in the first place and not the parents. People love to jump the gun with paranoid thoughts of bad parenting just because of person/s casual mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 My point is still the same as my first one, and I'm not in any way trying to say you're not entitled to your opinion - just that I think it's bollocks So my point is that there are millions of kids all over the country who play outside at 5 and don't get abducted - they shouldn't have that right (and vital part of growing up if you ask me) taken from them because unfortunately a tiny percentage do have horrible things happen to them. No parent should feel guilty for giving their child the normal chance to mould into a well rounded human being through experience from an early age, i.e. when we're at our most sponge like. Yes, if there was some sort of gross negligence on the parents part then I'd agree with you. The only thing I think these parents did was let this happen after dark, but you seem to be of the opinion that it doesn't matter what time of day it is. It's kind of the beauty of parenting though - it's your own choice how you go about it and no-one can really say you're wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 My point is still the same as my first one, and I'm not in any way trying to say you're not entitled to your opinion - just that I think it's bollocks So my point is that there are millions of kids all over the country who play outside at 5 and don't get abducted - they shouldn't have that right (and vital part of growing up if you ask me) taken from them because unfortunately a tiny percentage do have horrible things happen to them. No parent should feel guilty for giving their child the normal chance to mould into a well rounded human being through experience from an early age, i.e. when we're at our most sponge like. Yes, if there was some sort of gross negligence on the parents part then I'd agree with you. The only thing I think these parents did was let this happen after dark, but you seem to be of the opinion that it doesn't matter what time of day it is. It's kind of the beauty of parenting though - it's your own choice how you go about it and no-one can really say you're wrong. I'm starting to become enlightened. The after dark part is one of the main bothers for me. And the fact that she was nearly a mile from home. (from what I've been told) If you'd let a 5 year old out after dark unsupervised then I still think it's irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) If you'd let a 5 year old out after dark unsupervised then I still think it's irresponsible. Agreed Edited October 5, 2012 by JD™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Also agreed, but that doesn't mean they deserve to have their kid taken (and murdered now by the sounds of it). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Also agreed, but that doesn't mean they deserve to have their kid taken (and murdered now by the sounds of it). I also agree with this, I do feel for them. I can't even begin to imagine what they're going through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Also agreed, but that doesn't mean they deserve to have their kid taken (and murdered now by the sounds of it). Where exactly did anyone say that they deserved to have their kid taken? I actually don't know the full story, can't really find any info about exactly where she was abducted as all the news articles I've read assume we know all the basic details, so if anyone can link me with some good info I'll click away. I'm kind of siding with Luke on this one. I remember back to when I was 5. Playing out after dark would have been a complete no no, even in my own garden. Hell I was in my first year of school when I was 5 (september born) and we weren't even allowed to go out and play with the rest of the school for safety reasons. I think a couple of things need to be stated. a 5 year old isn't comparable to someone who is 7ish. Those two years make a hell of a difference to mental judgement and physically too. Everyone talking about keeping kids prisoner in their own homes and how it f**ks them up later in life is totally a strawman argument. Luke isn't saying they should be locked in their homes, but that in this particular situation were was a lack of parental supervision. Also, getting snatched by someone isn't the only danger there is for a child. You wouldn't watch over your 5 year old just in case someone was going to take her, you'd be watching out for her well being in general getting hurt, getting upset etc. The chances of a child getting kidnapped are very slim, but that falls under the umbrella of hundreds of things that can happen to a child. I can't make a judgement call until I know the full details, but it sounds like the parents should have aired on the side of caution a little bit more. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykid009 Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 I agree with Luke and JT on this one. The child should never have been left unattended. If not for the fear of kiddy snatchers, then for simple things like April getting hurt, having an argument or any other mischief she may get in to! This is before you start to consider the fact she has cerebral palsey, and so needs extra care in day to day life. I am all for children having freedom in their life. It is one of the greatest things a parent can give to a child. But age 5, a child doesn't have the mental understanding of the world around them to have that freedom alone. My sister is 9. We live in a very rural area, in a small village. She isn't allowed out of the driveway when playing outside, and must be accompanied with either myself, my brother or one of our parents. Only recently has she started riding her scooter to school, although that is with my mother following her in the car behind to check she is ok. My family has always said secondary school is when you can start doing things independently, and it is the same for many people that I know. 11 is the right age to be able to ride to school on your own, and deal with your own problems. You can build it up gradually until then, but at least your first day at secondary is your first day of real freedom. It makes it special. Back to April Jones... yes the abductor is at fault. he shouldn't have ever taken her. But her parents are at least 30% to blame. They should have kept an eye on the children, or one fo the other parents of the other children she was with should have. Things have changed since my parents were young, and you have to adapt to modern ways. The danger is there and it is real. I should add, there have been two attempted abductions at out local primary school, the one that my sister goes to, over the last three years. The gentleman was arrested and he has since moved away, but it brings it home the threat was there. One of the girls he attempted to take was one of my sisters close friends, who was waiting for her mother after school. She was sensible enough to run away and go back into the school. That is all from me now, but definitely think the parents arn't completely free of the blame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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