arw_86 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Not sure if its a bit insensitive of me, and i hope she is safe and comes home ok. BUT.... Who lets their 5 year old daughter play outside at 7pm and i presume without adult supervision as no one would just let a 5 year old get into a passing van on the drivers side?! Unless it happened really quick...although ive heard she willingly got in the van? So she was seen getting in the van, why no better description of what van it was etc. Was she playing on her own? with other kids?! I just dont get it....... Also! They have arrested a man on suspicion....he has been named, they have shown his face! If he is guilty then fine! If he is innocent, then that is bang out of order! His life will be affected by all of this, and even if innocent, people wont look at him the same....dont release his name or image until he is found guilty. It's so harsh!!! Makes me angry really. Im sure im missing out alot of the pieces to this story and dont wanna come across as a dick, but my mind boggles Edited October 3, 2012 by arw_86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) I would say I used to play out the front of my house at 6-7, (could be bullshit but I was pretty young) with my older sister and other kids (We lived down a close and everyone knew everyone so cars always went slowly and stuff for us). Obviously my Mum checked out the window occasionally but she didn't sit out with us or anything. She had stuff to do, would it have been better parenting if she would have locked us in and made us watch mindless TV or be be active and social with other kids..... The problem with all these things are its fine parenting until something goes wrong. Don't know what I think about the parenting thing, but I think the outcome is going to be devastating. I also thought that about the guy if he didn't do it, obv cops keep their cards close to their chest so its hard to judge. Edited October 3, 2012 by Simpson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I too am of the school of playing out young, lived in a smallish village and played out on the small close we lived on. Now however I have two small boys age 2 and 4 and to be honest I wouldn't let the eldest play out on the front of our house (we live at the very end of a housing estate though there is a footpath 25m away that leads down the side of a family pub and onto the main road which is a good 1 mile drive if you went around the estate properly). There are lots of kids who do play out all the time, their parents generally let them roam free on the estate (quite a windy, hilly half mile road) and it frightens me. There is one boy who is the same age as my son and has kind of grown up with him at toddler groups and the like and his dad is always losing him and finding him in different people's back gardens playing with older children (9-10yr olds) or I see him on his own in the little park at the centre of the estate which is almost in view of his house but has a footpath running alongside which leads to the local Morrisons. Needless to say, if someone wanted to snatch a child round here it would be easy though like Simpson says, with regards to the kids that do play out it's perfectly fine until something bad does happen and as a parent I wouldn't personally take the risk. Also kind of on subject a few months back a friend of mine almost had her daughter taken by a seedy guy in a van but she was with a friend and ran off when he tried. At the time I think she was 9 and playing near a quiet secluded road quite out the way and a good few miles from her house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yea but picture if you lived in a "crime" free area of Wales with a green within line of sight of your house, would things be different then? Not necessarily got an opinion on this but just playing devils advocate, people can be too quick to snap judge people in situations such as these. (not that you did) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 No that's a fair enough question. For me personally it wouldn't, if someone else can reach my kids before me then it is not good whether I can see them or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) When I was a child I lived in an even more rural area than the one this girl was taken from, after I was excluded from school my mum would go to work and I would stay at home on my own all day with the occasional phone call from my mum to check everything was ok. Often I would pack a bag and go walking in the woods and lanes for the entire day or go out on my bike. Quite often when I got a bit older (10/12+) I would walk the 8 miles to where my mum worked and get a lift back home with her. From the age of 6 to about 14 I was on my own outside pretty much all day every day, miles from the nearest village or town and quite often chatting to strangers and different people as I went out exploring and playing my stupid adventure shit I would make up. I think within the last ten years my opinion on whether that is safe or not has turned 180*. Now; it seems totally inappropriate and unsafe and in today's climate I can only say it is totally irresponsible of my mother and by doing things like that I was putting myself and my family in real danger. But back then, it just seemed perfectly normal. Friends and family members were more surprised that I was excluded from mainstream education that young than they were that I was out on my own all day. Abduction cases and missing person reports are a very rare thing and thankfully they very few and far between. That said there are more and more missing people every day, what about that lad who went missing at a gig in London recently? Everybody has forgotten about him; did he get found? In short; I know this is a truly horrifying and terrible trauma for the family to be going through. However without sounding like a massive fanny; I can guarantee you that at some point every single member of that family has kicked themselves and knows that if they were more responsible and took more care of their child then this wouldn't have happened. And the sad truth is, it's probably right. I'm not saying they did deserve it, or they didn't deserve it. Just making the observation that people need to be more realistic about the dangers of the modern world and change the way they look after their children. If the children wanted to play; what was the mother doing that was so important she couldn't supervise? It all boils down to responsibility. There's some sick bastards out there, and an unaccompanied girl in rural wales is a prime target for any of them. Hopefully this will all have a happy ending but will prove a serious lesson to our majority nation of naive parents. I fear the worst though, submarined IMO. Edited October 4, 2012 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 When I was a child I lived in an even more rural area than the one this girl was taken from, after I was excluded from school my mum would go to work and I would stay at home on my own all day with the occasional phone call from my mum to check everything was ok. Often I would pack a bag and go walking in the woods and lanes for the entire day or go out on my bike. Quite often when I got a bit older (10/12+) I would walk the 8 miles to where my mum worked and get a lift back home with her. From the age of 6 to about 14 I was on my own outside pretty much all day every day, miles from the nearest village or town and quite often chatting to strangers and different people as I went out exploring and playing my stupid adventure shit I would make up. So you got excluded from school before the age of 10, then you just hung around in the woods all day until the day you were old enough to get a job? You didn't go to school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Nope, never went to a proper school. Went to primary school and got excluded pretty early on, I used to have to go to a referal unit once a month up unti I was 13 then I did just under a year in a boarding correction facility which was pretty shit. I was working almost a full time job for cash in a bike shop when I was 14, started doing my apprenticeship when I was 15 and was on day release at college to get my NVQ's. Did that until I was 18 and then moved down to Plymouth to be with my girlfriend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 What did you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 ...explains a lot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 What did you do? Don't really know to be fair, I can't really remember any of the specific events. lol George, I thought you knew that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 I think the parents need to be prosecuted. the girl is only 5! to be left unattended long enough to be snatched is horrendously bad parenting. I blame them, they can cry all they like but it's the little girl I really feel sorry for, let's hope she turns up okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Prosecute them for what charge? Do you not think losing their child is punishment enough?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 <devils advocate> It could be a setup, or something more sinister. That boy from America who 'went up in an out of control air balloon' and was found in the loft - media attention anyone? Tia from Croydon? Maddie McCann? Shit, that one still hasn't been outed, but you get my point. </devils advocate> I'm not saying it is a cry to the media, but I am saying it's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Prosecute them for what charge? Do you not think losing their child is punishment enough?! If something has happened to April, they have some of the blame on their shoulders. A 5 year old child is not independent and shouldn't be unsupervised. All the man hours of the emergency services searching for her isn't cheap. I can't begin to imagine what her parents are going through, but they have themselves to blame, as I said I do sympathise but only for April. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) I don't think the police would have held a man and released all his details if they weren't pretty sure it was him; look at the case with that wench up north who did the same with her own daughter. In my opinion this geezer has taken her. The McCanns however; they DO deserve to be strung up. Luke; you're being a fanny. Are you the sort of person who says that women who wear short skirts deserve to be raped? Edited October 5, 2012 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 I don't think the police would have held a man and released all his details if they weren't pretty sure it was him; look at the case with that wench up north who did the same with her own daughter. In my opinion this geezer has taken her. The McCanns however; they DO deserve to be strung up. Luke; you're being a fanny. Are you the sort of person who says that women who wear short skirts deserve to be raped? Not at all, but it doesn't help does it? It's like walking around bear country with a steak hanging out your pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 So how long does a child have to be unsupervised before they are deemed "snatchable"? What's to say she couldn't have been snatched in the first 30 seconds of being outside? (Hypothetically speaking...obviously they know she was outside longer than this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 So how long does a child have to be unsupervised before they are deemed "snatchable"? What's to say she couldn't have been snatched in the first 30 seconds of being outside? (Hypothetically speaking...obviously they know she was outside longer than this) That's not the point, She's 5 so she shouldn't be unsupervised at all for any period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 That's absolutely ridiculous. Just because this appalling event happens sometimes, it doesn't mean all children should miss out on getting muddy and learning things for themselves from an early age. I don't think I'll be letting my future 5 year olds play out after dark on their own, but that doesn't mean they'll be chained to me 24/7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 That's absolutely ridiculous. Just because this appalling event happens sometimes, it doesn't mean all children should miss out on getting muddy and learning things for themselves from an early age. I don't think I'll be letting my future 5 year olds play out after dark on their own, but that doesn't mean they'll be chained to me 24/7. Then you'd be irresponsible. They don't have to be tied to you, but someone needs to keep an eye on them. Gardens are fit for purpose, most even have mud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 I take it you don't have kids yourself, or have any youngsters in your family then. It is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a close eye on a 5 year old 100% of the time! My niece is coming up to 4 years old. She quite often amuses herself in my sisters back garden (prob about 1/2 acre size) while my sister is inside doing housework etc. She checks her frequently of course, and keeps an ear out...so does that make her a bad parent?! If a snatcher wants a kid bad enough, they will take them from a back yard. My sisters has a half height wooden gate, but its not locked or anything. My neice could probably open it if she wanted to, but she knows she would be in big trouble. Kids can't be kept prisoner in a house because they might be snatched. While you're at it, you better not feed them in case they choke, or bath them in case they drown... People like you boil my piss. If you ever end up having kids, they will be the biggest social rejects going, and it will be all your doing! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Word George. It is not possible for a child to have a healthy upbringing whilst never leaving sight of their parents, kids need to do things on their own. The man who abducted her is the issue, not the parents. The answer to why a child was abducted shouldn't be "because she was left alone" it should be "because there are sick bastards out there who need to be removed from society." The point I was making in my post is that the parents will doubtlessly be feeling as though they should have taken more care; but at the end of the day that child should be safe from things like this wherever she went regardless of adult supervision. These individuals need to be removed from society and thins should go back to being the way they were 40 years ago IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) I take it you don't have kids yourself, or have any youngsters in your family then. It is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a close eye on a 5 year old 100% of the time! My niece is coming up to 4 years old. She quite often amuses herself in my sisters back garden (prob about 1/2 acre size) while my sister is inside doing housework etc. She checks her frequently of course, and keeps an ear out...so does that make her a bad parent?! If a snatcher wants a kid bad enough, they will take them from a back yard. My sisters has a half height wooden gate, but its not locked or anything. My neice could probably open it if she wanted to, but she knows she would be in big trouble. Kids can't be kept prisoner in a house because they might be snatched. While you're at it, you better not feed them in case they choke, or bath them in case they drown... People like you boil my piss. If you ever end up having kids, they will be the biggest social rejects going, and it will be all your doing! If she went missing, yes it would be her fault. They haven't got to be kept locked up all the time, that's not what I'm saying. A girl of five SHOULD NOT have been left unattended away from her family and if you think that her parents were right in doing so then you're a complete joke. And I do have young children in my family which are looked after properly and not slung on the streets in the dark. Glad to know I'm boiling your piss with my opinions, in life you won't always have the same opinions as everyone else, one of those things you have to deal with. Word George. It is not possible for a child to have a healthy upbringing whilst never leaving sight of their parents, kids need to do things on their own. The man who abducted her is the issue, not the parents. The answer to why a child was abducted shouldn't be "because she was left alone" it should be "because there are sick bastards out there who need to be removed from society." The point I was making in my post is that the parents will doubtlessly be feeling as though they should have taken more care; but at the end of the day that child should be safe from things like this wherever she went regardless of adult supervision. These individuals need to be removed from society and thins should go back to being the way they were 40 years ago IMO. Totally agree, kids can leave sight of their parents and have a "healthy upbringing", just not at the age of 5 and when it's getting dark. EDIT: We don't live in the 40s anymore, these monsters exist and parenting has to adapt with the modern life. Edited October 5, 2012 by Luke Dunstan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 How can you disagree with me, but agree with Jardo?! We both said the same things lol. So, somebody comes into HER garden, and takes HER child whilst her back is turned for a few minutes, yet its HER fault?! You need your head checked. Lets adapt it a bit, and say the abductor comes into the house through the back door and takes her while she is playing...according to your thinking, its still HER fault because she's not tied to her leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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