chris H Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 Im just wondering if anyone has used the magura 2011 model. I just want to know if there worth the buy of just stick to getting a second hand 05 model! Are they easier to bleed? Is the new TPA system as good as it is cracked out to be? Cheers guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 I have a better idea, get an '04 model! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 New tpa system is great, I've had 2 sets on seperate bikes and out of the box they work brilliantly though the levers felt a bit flexy. I did however have the 4 finger versions when the 2 finger ones are supposed to be as powerful as a 2005 with a 4 finger lever (I think). I've just bought a 05 to go on my new mod build and to be honest I think I prefer them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 they seem to get worse the newer they are, 04 is best, no major problems as far as i know. The 05 cracks. the 11 leaks and seems to have problems with flex. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeroyHUK Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 2011 are great, i preferd them to my 2005's any day of the week! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 05's feel the best of the lot I reckon. File away the point, nip em up so they can just rotate on the bars, should last a good while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlperkins Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 (edited) the 2011 leaked, however if you managed to get a non-leaky one.. they are very powerful. but i hate the bleed technique. its more complicated than the 05. the tpa is better on the 2011 though Edited September 24, 2012 by Carlperkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 All of mine have leaked eventually. Longest lasted 4 months I would love to use them if they lasted. They have more power compared with older Maguras I have gone back to 05 now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxx Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 All of mine have leaked eventually. Longest lasted 4 months I would love to use them if they lasted. They have more power compared with older Maguras I have gone back to 05 now Exactly the same. And every time I inspect the master cylinder after a leak : it's damaged (sort of scratches) ! I think it's the piston itself that does this, I don't see any other explanation (plastic rubbing against plastic wich cause this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Exactly the same. And every time I inspect the master cylinder after a leak : it's damaged (sort of scratches) ! I think it's the piston itself that does this, I don't see any other explanation (plastic rubbing against plastic wich cause this) I think it's just the force us trials riders pull the lever with flexing the whole body in to an arch shape then rubbing on the piston. Only thing I can think of is more clearance on the piston. Or an extra o ring on the end of the piston to stop plastic on plastic abrasion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeroyHUK Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 my 2011 has lasted 6 mnths now? the flex on the lever is to prevent the cracking as on the 05 models... it only flexes when no more power can be apllied... i love how strong they are, combined with lgm pads, by far the best rim setup i've used... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 I think it's just the force us trials riders pull the lever with flexing the whole body in to an arch shape then rubbing on the piston. Only thing I can think of is more clearance on the piston. Or an extra o ring on the end of the piston to stop plastic on plastic abrasion It wouldnt flex the cylinder itself though. It would flex around the narrower area that extends from the bar clamp to the rest of the body itself. The piston and cylinder remain in situ and inline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 It's not the lever who flex... It's the frame because of the extra power! Anyhow the 2011 does NOT leak! And it's just overall better, buy it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dngr2self Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 It's not the lever who flex... It's the frame because of the extra power! Anyhow the 2011 does NOT leak! And it's just overall better, buy it! They clearly do leak or people wouldn't say they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 They clearly do leak or people wouldn't say they did. Or people just does it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Or people just does it wrong. Out of interest how many of the new maguras have you got that don't leak ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Or people just does it wrong. Like your spelling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Like your spelling? He's Swedish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 It's not the lever who flex... It's the frame because of the extra power! Nope, definately the lever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 The levers ARE really flexy, because they're not made of metal anymore. It'll fare better when hit against a wall than the old models, but other than that & the few grams it's saved, I found no advantages & sold it, fast! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 He's Swedish. Fair play, in that case he speaks better English than 99% of the people on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Out of interest how many of the new maguras have you got that don't leak ? Not just only mine, but 4. Heard loads of other riders that I know in personal say they're the best to. Like your spelling? Well thank's, I would gladly see you write in Swedish, when you're Iphone auto corrects to English words and you're tired as f*ck. Good luck! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 I must admit I had a set from when they first came out and ran them on the original bleed for a year with no problems regarding leaks, though at the same time I did speak to a few people who had suffered and said I did very well lasting that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 I must admit I had a set from when they first came out and ran them on the original bleed for a year with no problems regarding leaks, though at the same time I did speak to a few people who had suffered and said I did very well lasting that long. Depends on how you treat them. Some crash alot etc which may cause some leaks. I don't know why... But everyone I know who have them (including me) have had no problems with them on the original bleed, they just don't seem to 'like' waterbleeds. And I've compared them pretty hard to my mates setup, which where exactly the same and mine's better in every way. It feels a tad spongier but that's because of frame flex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxx Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 The master cylinder on 2011 hs33/11 doesn't flex alot itself (just a very little). Brake very hard, and watch the master cylinder movement : relative to the lever it barely moves (if you tightened the clamp bolts correctly). Now look at how the frame flexes ! (even if it's stiff). So yes the master cylinder may move a little bit more than 2005 hs33, BUT it's not the source of a lot of flexing. It's mainly the power which cause "spongy" lever (frame flex more important than master cylinder flex and by far). And at equal braking force (on the rim) : with a longer lever blade you need less force than a shorter lever blade, but even considering this, the longer lever will provide more "flex". I have had 5 new hs33 (2011) which were leaked (2 front, 3 rear), and as I said every time it leaks, it is at the master cylinder where there are scratches inside (I think two o-rings must be a good idea). The longest time a brake lasted me is 5 months (for the 2011 hs33, not 2005), but of course it depends how you ride, how often, your level, places also maybe, ....... Ps: sorry english is not my native language 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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