Lewis Gething Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 So I have gotten to the point where I am becoming a fairly well rounded rider in terms of my trials skills. I feel like most of the moves I am doing are at a similar level, however there is one part of my riding which is severely letting me down and I really want to learn it but after trying many times I simply cannot grasp it. The move in question is the wheelswap, where one has the front wheel hooked over an obstacle and then vigurously explodes upwards, tucking the back wheel into the body and landing to rear on the object. I have read the page on TrashZen, however I am still unclear as to how I go about doing the wheel swap. I will usually execute a pedal kick in order to lift me upwards, however when I do this, my tyre will slip a little and I fail to get the height required. Trashzen says to keep the brakes locked throughout this move, however having seen the likes of Jack Carthy performing this move countless times, it seems a pedal kick is used Any tips or pointers will be very welcome, Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 You don't use any pedal stroke. As the image shows, stand high over the bike, then launch it up until the back wheel's on the object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gething Posted August 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) I should also add that I can do this variant of the wheel swap: However I am unable to put this technique to use on a sloped object such as the one in the first animation You don't use any pedal stroke. As the image shows, stand high over the bike, then launch it up until the back wheel's on the object. Hi, thanks for confirming the pedal kick not being used, I am going to go out for a bit now and try the move as you have suggested. Thanks for the advice Edited August 12, 2012 by streetrials24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 The main difference is in the second picture, you 'push' off your rear wheel to throw the bike in the air, where as in the first one, you 'push' off your front wheel to throw the bike in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Thats a switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gething Posted August 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 The main difference is in the second picture, you 'push' off your rear wheel to throw the bike in the air, where as in the first one, you 'push' off your front wheel to throw the bike in the air. Okay, so I have just got in after spending time seasoning this move. Your advice has actually given me a great amount of help and I have already improved greatly. I totally understand the differences you have outlined here as before I was trying to push off the back wheel using a pedal kick (which obviously makes the move really hard as I have now found ) Should the same technique (no pedal kick) be used when doing hooks to rear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Thats a switch. shitty, pointless post? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 shitty, pointless post? Just saying, its not a wheel swap, its a switch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Use the fork flex to help spring you up, and tyre compression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I was also extremely bad at these, I'm still not good at them, but I am able to do em now! The thing that made the biggest difference was to release the brakes when you jump up, it's pretty much impossible otherwise. It will feel pretty weird at first, but that'll pass. The other thing is to practise them on a "ledge" where you can put your front wheel onto. Like the gif with the pallet, when you can put your front wheel on a corner you will get alot of spring from tire compression and that helps a massive amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisTrials2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 got fairly good at these, so my advice is put extra extra into your preload, and make sure both brakes are locked. Then its a matter of making sure you land it right. often the front wheel will raise quite high if the move is performed, so keep an eye on it, so you don't fall backwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I lock my front brake, obviously, and keep my rear one released. This means the rear wheel can roll when I use the flex in my forks to help spring me up to rear, followed by the application of the brake just before the rear wheel lands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I've always called it a pidgeon, learnt it from some Northerner years ago and it stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gething Posted August 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Recently I have been practicing hopping forwards on the back wheel without using a pedal kick, and the technique used here feels very similar, just with a more explosive action. I will take a quick video later so you guys can get an idea of where I am at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Hopping or gapping without pedal kicking is called a 'boon' I think? Apparently it's a completely pointless move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Hopping or gapping without pedal kicking is called a 'boon' I think? Apparently it's a completely pointless move. It is called booning and it's far from pointless, you try pedal kicking up a 45° slope For pidgeons/wheelswaps/transfers whatever you call them, I keep the back brake off when going from flat floor (as said it lets the rear wheel roll to allow fork preloading), if there isn't anything to preload the rear tyre onto then I use a combination of rear tyre grip if possible and fork/front tyre preload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Front brake on, rear brake off. Get balanced, bars straight. Load up the forks and front tyre by shifting your weight down. You will feel the forks / tyre spring back. Time your jump with the return spring, and you'll get a big 'boost' from the bike. Keep your weight forward, even though natural temptation is to shift it back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Rear brake off for the flat and on for slopes. All the spring I find comes from the font wheel and compressing your weight over the bars. On slopes if you can time it right it helps to release the rear brake as you spring upwards as it helps the rear wheel to roll up the slope and stops the tyre dragging, then obviously re apply the brake as you land the rear wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Front brake on, rear brake off. Get balanced, bars straight. Load up the forks and front tyre by shifting your weight down. You will feel the forks / tyre spring back. Time your jump with the return spring, and you'll get a big 'boost' from the bike. Keep your weight forward, even though natural temptation is to shift it back... I already mentioned it in my post, but I think it's also pretty important to note that you should release the front brack when you spring up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 I already mentioned it in my post, but I think it's also pretty important to note that you should release the front brack when you spring up. Hmm. I don't do that, and I can't work out how it would make a difference (other than a huge crash if you release too early! haha). Got any vids of you doing it that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATRIAL Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 no pedal kick but i release the brakes before the jump, also its easier if you turn the bike to your side ( i hope you understand jajaj) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 no pedal kick but i release the brakes before the jump, also its easier if you turn the bike to your side ( i hope you understand jajaj) It's not a good idea to turn the bike to the side if you're doing it on a slope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Hmm. I don't do that, and I can't work out how it would make a difference (other than a huge crash if you release too early! haha). Got any vids of you doing it that way? Afraid I don't I think everyone does it subconsiously. When I don't release the front brake, I spring up in a straight motion, instead of forward to make the front to rear wheel switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I keep my front brake locked through the entire duration of the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 This thread is confusing as f**k! Theres 2 discussions going on: A 'static hook' as shown in the vid on the first post or a pigeon / wheelswap shown in the vid within the post a few down. Static hook: Front brake on, rear brake sometimes on, sometimes off (depends on a few things). Keep front brake locked at all times, even after you've sprung up to rear (as Adam was saying) Wheelswap / pigeon: Front brake only, you can release the brake just as you go to spring up (as omgnoseat mentioned). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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