trialsiain Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I have an echo trial 24 with a 150 x 35 trialtech mod stem and trialtech low rise bars, would high rise bars make it feel any better ? im 5 foot 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I saw your gap topic video & your front looks seriously high, looks like the front wheel's lower than it should be when you're on the back wheel, which will stretch your arms & legs apart & limit you quite a bit. I'm not up on the geo of tgs frames, but have you tried a lower stem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 that could just be me though cause i have done something with arm and i cant bend it past a cetain point or put it straight out .. ill try stem a few spacers down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Id say a 150x30 would be more suited to the frame. As said, in the video your front wheel looks lower than it could be. The lower rise on the stem will bring the front wheel up and make rear wheel control much easier, while still feeling nice for 2 wheel control and front wheel moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) current set up pic, would putting bars forward make it better on back wheel ? and what do you mean by my front wheel looks lower than it could be Edited July 21, 2012 by trialsiain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Your posture looks uncomfortable, you don't look relaxed on the back wheel, given the high bb etc. Essentially for pogo moves you want your front wheel as close to your hands as possible, a long high stem pushes it further away and lowers your balance point. Depends how you wanna ride & what you want the bike to do. Rolling the bars forward will make it sit on the back wheel easier as you're giving your self even more reach, but it'll steer awfully on 2 wheels, be a pogo stick & everything but static back wheel hops will feel worse. Compromise. Edited July 21, 2012 by LEON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) so what do i do then ? ? ... i normally do sidehops pedal ups and gaps Edited July 21, 2012 by trialsiain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) I'm not that clued up on hoppy bikes, and I don't know what you want from your bike. But for such a long high stem, why not try rolling the bars back a lot, then go forward 1 or 2mm at a time until it feels right, if it still feels wrong then I personally think you should try a shorter/lower stem, you've already got a hell of a long reach, and 5ft 9 is not that tall so I can't help feeling you're probably stretching yourself out a bit too much, which means you'll never preload & chuck your weight around to your full potential. Also put all your spacers on top of your stem, try that & see how it feels, takes 5 minutes. You'll never find your perfect set up unless you spend a lot of time piss arsing about with bars & stems like I do lol. Edited July 21, 2012 by LEON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I'm not that clued up on hoppy bikes, and I don't know what you want from your bike. But for such a long high stem, why not try rolling the bars back a lot, then go forward 1 or 2mm at a time until it feels right, if it still feels wrong then I personally think you should try a shorter/lower stem, you've already got a hell of a long reach, and 5ft 9 is not that tall so I can't help feeling you're probably stretching yourself out a bit too much, which means you'll never preload & chuck your weight around to your full potential. ok cheers im just unsure which stem to get as i would have a tryall sloping one but i have trialtech forks : / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I wouldn't ruin trialtech forks with that sloping crap. Try what you already have at every possible angle before spending money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I wouldn't ruin trialtech forks with that sloping crap. Try what you already have at every possible angle before spending money. i took a stem spacer off so stem was lower and it felt shit then i move bars back a bit and felt crap also i could hardly sidehop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) i recko0n i need higher bars.. cause look at my arm positon then look at other peoples duncan shaw look at there arms , level with ground Edited July 21, 2012 by trialsiain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I think it's your posture that's wrong, you genuinely don't look comfortable on the back wheel and a higher front is not gonna help. Maybe it's because of your arm injury but higher bars is gonna make things harder, they're more than high enough. The pics are of a pro who is at home on the back wheel. The 3rd pic is of a sidehop so posture's irrelevant to your gap situation, and the other one is a different point of preload to your pic so it's not much use comparing the pics. I guess is you really want higher bars then go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsiain Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 i put 25mm of stem spacers on and put bars forwards and it feels better now to sidehop to rear and things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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