Muel Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Reinstalling due to new hardware? Pah! I move hard disks between systems all the time with no issues. How can you not run an anti-virus though? Do you never download a dodgy torrent?I meant slow to complete tasks, not slow interface. Like booting, copying multiple files from one place to another, opening programs and so on. W7 isn't too bad compared to the olden days, but when you run something like Xubuntu (lightweight version of Ubuntu with a better interface) on a system like mine, the speed difference is obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Storage disks and minor hardware no issue, but new motherboard or system disk I like to have a fresh sheet to play with. In september when I got the sshd I had to collate 3 hdds down onto one disk, then when I got the ssd it wouldn't clone the c:\ (which is what I initially planned to do as it's only a couple of months old install) because I had set multiple partitions on the disk. Unfortunately the free software bundled with the ssd just didn't want to work with doing a system backup/restore onto the new disk and as it was I wasted more time trying to clone/backup than it took to reinstall from fresh! I vet all of the torrents I download (not that I download much these days) and in all honesty I have never had a virus infection at home outside of the sasser/blaster worm which was impossible to defend against at the time. I don't bother with anti spy/malware either, in my experience it's simply better to know what programmes you have installed, what they do and what should/shouldn't be running a process. If I have issues with slowdowns then I will investigate further as a reactive action but I never take preventative measures - This isn't an open invitation to start hacking my computer If I do want to check for virus infection I can use the sophos sbe from work, however any time that I have done in the past has resulted in zero hits. I like to keep my machine as clean and default running as possible, typically about 50 processes on boot and not much more than 1-1.5gig of ram used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Reinstalling due to new hardware? Pah! I move hard disks between systems all the time with no issues. How can you not run an anti-virus though? Do you never download a dodgy torrent? I meant slow to complete tasks, not slow interface. Like booting, copying multiple files from one place to another, opening programs and so on. W7 isn't too bad compared to the olden days, but when you run something like Xubuntu (lightweight version of Ubuntu with a better interface) on a system like mine, the speed difference is obvious. We don't have a system like yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Nope, mine is much faster Edited December 11, 2014 by forteh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Everyone in here has a faster build than mine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 It would be interesting to see how quick mine would boot a linux distro What happens with drivers in linux? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Honestly I have no idea. Never had a problem.Just installed Xubuntu on my girlfriend's laptop, after checking the spec it has an i5-3210, 6gb of DDR3 at 1333mhz, a 128mb Crucial M4 SSD and a 1tb Hitachi 5400rpm HDD. Boots from cold to the login screen in just under 10 seconds, logging in takes just under 2 seconds. Crazy to think it's just a little laptop, it's way faster than my desktop because the chipset is awesome. (My NB/SB are crap).Gonna set her up with a Windows 7 VM for anything homosexual she needs to do but for now, just see how she gets on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I bet she uses the W7 virtual machine more often that Xubuntu. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Linux is nowhere near the scary beast it used to be. You'll be hard pressed to struggle with drivers, because it copes as well if not better than Windows these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTrialSpaz Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Honestly I have no idea. Never had a problem. Just installed Xubuntu on my girlfriend's laptop, after checking the spec it has an i5-3210, 6gb of DDR3 at 1333mhz, a 128mb Crucial M4 SSD and a 1tb Hitachi 5400rpm HDD. Boots from cold to the login screen in just under 10 seconds, logging in takes just under 2 seconds. Crazy to think it's just a little laptop, it's way faster than my desktop because the chipset is awesome. (My NB/SB are crap). Gonna set her up with a Windows 7 VM for anything homosexual she needs to do but for now, just see how she gets on. I'm not massively up to date on all things computer, but I'd be severely disappointed if the boot/login times weren't like that with that kind of spec. Regardless of it being a laptop/Linux, that is a quick machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I bet she uses the W7 virtual machine more often that Xubuntu.Wouldn't be doing it if that was going to be the case. She can have the browsers she already uses and VLC, and the only other thing she really wants is something to play music but she's happy to change because she's sick of iTunes crashing all the time.Linux is nowhere near the scary beast it used to be. You'll be hard pressed to struggle with drivers, because it copes as well if not better than Windows these days.Yep exactly. This is what I love most about the linux community, if there is an issue somebody will fix it. Network drivers especially were a big issue 5 years ago, but now nobody even thinks about them.I'm not massively up to date on all things computer, but I'd be severely disappointed if the boot/login times weren't like that with that kind of spec. Regardless of it being a laptop/Linux, that is a quick machine.It's not up to date though, it's 2 years old. The chipset isn't amazing (the sata controller throttles the SSD, for example) and the CPU wasn't that powerful when it was new. Those boot times are what I'd expect of a modern desktop of similar spec level, but not a little laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Wouldn't be doing it if that was going to be the case. She can have the browsers she already uses and VLC, and the only other thing she really wants is something to play music but she's happy to change because she's sick of iTunes crashing all the time. See if it weren't for the requirement for games and solidworks I would use it. Yep exactly. This is what I love most about the linux community, if there is an issue somebody will fix it. Network drivers especially were a big issue 5 years ago, but now nobody even thinks about them. But where do you get divers from? Do I go to nvidia for gtx660 drivers and intel for h55 chipset drivers or are they all written 3rd party and you have to search for them or are they packaged like they are in windows? It's not up to date though, it's 2 years old. The chipset isn't amazing (the sata controller throttles the SSD, for example) and the CPU wasn't that powerful when it was new. Those boot times are what I'd expect of a modern desktop of similar spec level, but not a little laptop. Don't you bet on it, this i7 4770k @ 4.2ghz with a 550mb/sec ssd on 6gb/s sata3 boots up 2-3 seconds faster than my machine at home (about 20 seconds from cold), my bios loading time is longer though - the sata2 isn't that limiting. Processor speed won't make that much difference to boot time, it's all about disk transfer until you come to loading loads of startup shite. The intel core processors simply haven't made big bounds in performance after the 2nd gen, 2nd gen is not really any slower than 5th gen unless you're looking at specific tasks. Speaking of which I checked last night, I have 39 processes running on boot in windows7! Edited December 12, 2014 by forteh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartMini Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 It's not up to date though, it's 2 years old. The chipset isn't amazing (the sata controller throttles the SSD, for example) and the CPU wasn't that powerful when it was new. Those boot times are what I'd expect of a modern desktop of similar spec level, but not a little laptop. i've been running a core 2 quad for the best part of 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 But where do you get divers from? Do I go to nvidia for gtx660 drivers and intel for h55 chipset drivers or are they all written 3rd party and you have to search for them or are they packaged like they are in windows? Just be connected to the internet, then forget drivers ever existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) It autofinds them like windows does? Does it install the latest from a repository or does it put in a driver that will suffice like windows? I have a distinct distrust of drivers that windows installs for major components (cpu/gpu/chipset) and prefer to go get the right ones from the manufacturers website Edited December 12, 2014 by forteh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Haven't changed any hardware on my server for a while, which is the only place I run Linux at the moment, but it's always been latest when I've checked! That's running through command line, though, but I'm assuming the same commands are run by the GUI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Wouldn't be doing it if that was going to be the case. She can have the browsers she already uses and VLC, and the only other thing she really wants is something to play music but she's happy to change because she's sick of iTunes crashing all the time. My itunes never crashed. She must be doing something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) See if it weren't for the requirement for games and solidworks I would use it.But where do you get divers from? Do I go to nvidia for gtx660 drivers and intel for h55 chipset drivers or are they all written 3rd party and you have to search for them or are they packaged like they are in windows?Don't you bet on it, this i7 4770k @ 4.2ghz with a 550mb/sec ssd on 6gb/s sata3 boots up 2-3 seconds faster than my machine at home (about 20 seconds from cold), my bios loading time is longer though - the sata2 isn't that limiting. Processor speed won't make that much difference to boot time, it's all about disk transfer until you come to loading loads of startup shite. The intel core processors simply haven't made big bounds in performance after the 2nd gen, 2nd gen is not really any slower than 5th gen unless you're looking at specific tasks. Speaking of which I checked last night, I have 39 processes running on boot in windows7!Generally speaking they just come ready. I have a 4 year old ATI card and it works perfectly, including using 3D acceleration in Virtual Box (so I can game in a windows VM). Basically, I haven't had to touch a driver in linux within the last 5 years (2 years been using various linux distros full time). i've been running a core 2 quad for the best part of 5 years Which one? Because from the Q6600 onwards they were equal or faster than my shitty AMD. It autofinds them like windows does? Does it install the latest from a repository or does it put in a driver that will suffice like windows? I have a distinct distrust of drivers that windows installs for major components (cpu/gpu/chipset) and prefer to go get the right ones from the manufacturers website No idea, it just works. My itunes never crashed. She must be doing something wrong.Give it up Sav, I know you're not daft enough to believe that something is a decent product purely because "it was fine for me". My Mum says things like "My Peugeot 307 is great because it's fine for me", no Mum, it was the 3rd worst card in 2007 (the year she bought) for customer satisfaction. Edited December 12, 2014 by Muel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 So you just go by what people say? If itunes never crashed for me then what does that say about your girlfriends? Obviously something wrong at her end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 So you just go by what people say? If itunes never crashed for me then what does that say about your girlfriends? Obviously something wrong at her end.I go by widely held knowledge. Things like "Windows is more bloated and less stable than either Mac OS or most linux distros". It's just a widely accepted piece of information...If you've never had an issue with something, it makes you one of the people who's never had an issue and nothing more. It does not mean that the problems don't exist, it just means you haven't encountered them. The only thing that is obvious from your lack of issues with iTunes is that you're lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 In fairness, I've never had iTunes run properly on any Windows OS. I like Windows 7, I've never liked iTunes because it's like they only want you to use it on Macs. That's how it seems anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Why is it luck? If there's an issue with Itunes then I should have experienced it no? The problem doesn't just appear when I'm unlucky. When do I get unlucky anyway? When itunes crashes? Or I'm unlucky first then itunes crash? Something caused that problem. So if my itunes never crashes on my W7 but it does on your girlfriends (whatever windows she was on) then surely it's something wrong with her laptop whether it's software/hardware that caused it? Now I'm not saying itunes is amazing, I only use that for my iphone now. It's just one of those pieces of propiority software that I have to use. I used to use it as my main music player but I prefer the layout of windows media player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Why is it luck? If there's an issue with Itunes then I should have experienced it no? The problem doesn't just appear when I'm unlucky. When do I get unlucky anyway? When itunes crashes? Or I'm unlucky first then itunes crash? Something caused that problem. So if my itunes never crashes on my W7 but it does on your girlfriends (whatever windows she was on) then surely it's something wrong with her laptop whether it's software/hardware that caused it? Now I'm not saying itunes is amazing, I only use that for my iphone now. It's just one of those pieces of propiority software that I have to use. I used to use it as my main music player but I prefer the layout of windows media player.Lolz. Yeh you win mate. Can we go back to talking about nerdy shit that actually matters? Rather than picking up on individual words I say or my justification for trying out linux on my girlfriend?Anyway, she's been at home using it all day and f**king loves it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Get her on a command line only interface, see how long the love lasts... I've been spending my day sorting out a cluster, and my brain is itchy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartMini Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Which one? Because from the Q6600 onwards they were equal or faster than my shitty AMD. q6600, got it in one Get her on a command line only interface, see how long the love lasts... I've been spending my day sorting out a cluster, and my brain is itchy. Now you're talking about real IT! I've recently implimented a entire new cluster at work, server 2012 r2, new HP gen 8 virtual hosts, fibre switches and msa san Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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