Burglarboycie Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) Hi all I am trying to decide whether to go for an xtr v or echo disc on the front of my 26" speed race i am building. I want an uber light build with echo sl forks so would obviously need the beautiful echo 4 bolt-v mounts!! Has anyone had much experience with this set up? Do v brakes work ok on reverse mount forks Will it suffer from flex/play whilst gapping to front etc? Also, i may run a v on the rear too but again this would involve more adaptors as the speed race has 4 bolt mounts. Are people having much success with rear v's these days. I used to run one on my pashley back in the day. Any help greatly appreciated. James Edited June 6, 2012 by Burglarboycie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Duel disc. Winning combination. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlperkins Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 vee's are good if setup right, but the vee-adaptors have a habit of snapping. dual disc is shit IMO, just for the fact youll forever be buying rotors if your learning. why not just go for magura's? they are lighter than most discs and are tried and tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Duel disc. Winning combination. For stock? (A) I don´t think so Echo SL forks-no good(they are very prone to snapping,4bolt version mostly,not worth the weight saving) Echo disc brake-no good(especially for stock as they only come in 180mm version not 203) XTR Vees-no good for trials(there´s a lot of lighter and better vees,like new XT-not linear pull version,or avid sd sl) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 My echo's are unreal, the bite is enough to throw you over the bars if you let it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlperkins Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 +1 for echo sl forks being shit, i sold mine after a month (im suprised they lasted that long) they flex like fook and creak alot, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 My echo's are unreal, the bite is enough to throw you over the bars if you let it. You don´t ride stock,got it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 You don´t ride stock,got it? Point is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Your wheel has WAY less leverage over the brake than a 26" will, meaning a disc brake can feel great on your bike, but crap on a 26", so the experience of them on a 20" isn't really directly relevant. Got to agree with ghostrider88 about the linear pull XTR's not being so good for trials, they work loose and you don't see the advantages of them in trials use, a decent avid or a solid armed Shimano will do you well. I'm quite a fan of dual V, but I've never ridden at a particularly high level, so although I get on with them, other people may not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 V brakes are ace on the front! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Every Echo disk I have tried has been shit. Out of XTR or Echo I'd go XTR, but even better go XT with XTR lever or a 200mm mono trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 V brakes are ace on the front! Believe you me,they are awesome on the back too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burglarboycie Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Im confused!!! What makes the echo such a bad brake? Are they just not up to the job on a 26"? Seems that there is a universal hatred of them so will maybe give it a miss. As for maggies, ive never been a huge fan to be honest. I have always found the lever to be uncomfortable, they are a pain to bleed and never seem to stay properly set up for long. If my speed race had a disc mount in the rear i would try double disc (controversial i know :-P) My xtr with dx lever always had plenty of power back in the day with a bit of tar on the rim with no grind. Hmmm, why oh why is that echo brake so bad, everything else they make seems so good!! Thanks for all the help guys James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Why don't you just get a Hope brake instead? The Echo is just a bad copy of the hope anyway. Might as well get the real thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Believe you me,they are awesome on the back too Do you not find it flexes quite a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I run a vee on my streety 24, bites like a mofo and holds, and it's only a cheap tektro one. with avid rim wrangler pads, cos they are metal backed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Your vee is one of the best ive felt I reckon! Feels solid, what cable is it? Think thats why it feels good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Do you not find it flexes quite a bit? If you set it up properly and use linear slick cable,it can feel just as stiff as maggy even without booster.I still use booster though,I´m affraid of ripping posts out of the adaptor body as the brake holds too much sometimes LOL.Can´t remember it slipping backwards really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 mines a cable and outer that came off my old dmr drone, so it's not even new or owt. it better with fresh pads, these are a bit old now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onza pro series guy Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 What makes the echo such a bad brake? everyone I know who has run them has had problems with them leaking fluid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I've used a new, mint, perfectly set up echo disc on a 26" bike, and it was crap. They're just not good enough. If you're buying new....avid Juicy 5/7? I've used a juicy 5 with a 203 rotor, and it's the best disc I've ever used in my life. They cost a fraction of a hope trial brake. If you're going V, just get something solid like an avid, you don't need a linear pull xtr with all those moving parts flexing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I would say new shimano disc brakes(deore,slx,xt) are better than avids by wide margin(at least in terms of reliability,power is there aswell but the difference isn´t huge) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I always found shimanos to be spongy in feel, and very prone to air locks when bleeding. I used to run a juicy 7 on my zoo, never had any trouble. ran a shimano deore on my jump bike, was never happy with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I always found shimanos to be spongy in feel, and very prone to air locks when bleeding. I used to run a juicy 7 on my zoo, never had any trouble. ran a shimano deore on my jump bike, was never happy with it. New ones should be easier to bleed,I actually manage to bleed my saint lever perfectly first try and I haven´t bleed disc brake before and found it to be pretty easy to do.And it feels stiff as fook too,same with deore lever(I´m talking about levers because I´m using the same caliper with both levers) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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