isitafox Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Had a couple of hours out yesterday and generally didn't manage to do anything so I'm after some pointers. All the street local to me generally involves walls about 3ft high with a small gap on the other side then grass, I want to be able to hop up onto these as I can bunnyhop up to both wheels at this height with no problem but I obviously can't go head on at them without landing a wheel on the other side. So, can someone give me some pointers on how to (learn to) land side on? My first instinct is go at the wall at an angle so I'm almost jumping straight and gradually make the angle bigger maybe? Another question is about dropping off, is it still a weight forward thing once the rear wheel lands to stop it scooting from underneath you? Finally 180's, I'm trying to get into lifting the front end as high as possible and tuck the bike up as I spin. Is this the right kind of technique? If these questions are daft then by all means call me a berk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalRobbo341 Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I learnt 180's really quicly the other week, I have like a platform in my back garden about the size of a curb, just turn off of say a curb to the left if right footed and visa / versa, just first try it about 90 degrees and then just keep repeating yourself over and over again, I nailed 'em in about half an hour. Hope this helps! I also have a question there is a wall down by my local shops, not too high (could get on it with my brakes) lets say 5 / 6 bricks high, when I did it, I was more static but being brakeless, I am still trying to master my sidehops, higher, so i'm wondering if I should just go at a steady pace towards the wall and do like a pedal kick onto the wall while turning about 90 degrees, I don't want to ride up to the wall and like just completly hop over the wall and land, well, awkrardly! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 So, can someone give me some pointers on how to (learn to) land side on? My first instinct is go at the wall at an angle so I'm almost jumping straight and gradually make the angle bigger maybe? You can do it like that so it's almost a rolling sidehop, but if it's towards the upper limits of your hopping that can be kinda sketchy if you don't tuck your back wheel up enough. A bit of an angle might be good though, just 'cos that way you're effectively reducing the amount of spin you need to be doing. It sounds like a cop-out but there's not really much you can do pointers-wise without just saying "Practise" Learning 180s first might help though to get you used to that feeling of getting to the 90 point - the moves are quite similar overall. Another question is about dropping off, is it still a weight forward thing once the rear wheel lands to stop it scooting from underneath you? I usually just drop everything to two wheels, and it's not a bad way to learn it. Once you've got that sussed if you need to drop something to rear first to take the sting out you can, but it's usually a case of trying to avoid landing purely to rear wheel otherwise you'll basically just be getting your loop on... Finally 180's, I'm trying to get into lifting the front end as high as possible and tuck the bike up as I spin. Is this the right kind of technique? If you keep getting the front high, the thing to concentrate on is trying to get the back wheel nice and high too. It makes spinning it a lot easier, and it helps for the later stage of it when you have to 'snap' your hips round and point the back of the bike round. Basically, once you've got your front wheel to the 90° point it's all about what you do with your back wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 My wrists agree with Mark. Landing to two is the best way! Whens your next day off for a ride Dave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 For bikes with stumpier stems, landing to two feels way better generally. You can't really hold it on the back wheel as much as a bike with a long stem, so it just sort of makes the front end drop pretty hard and fast. If you just do it to two, you can land better balanced and absorb the landing way better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Cheers, will keep at it then. Think I still need a bit more speed on the 180's but I'll work on getting the rear up. Carl, I'm off this Thursday and Friday then on nights all the week after but could probably manage an afternoon at Hathersage on one of them days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 The wonderful thing about practicing, the more you do it, the more it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted May 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 This is true but first you need to know what it is you should be practicing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Riding? It was midely succefull to me. It will feel a whole lot better if you figure it out for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted May 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 So I should just practice riding then, bit of a generalisation don't you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Start on a smaller wall if possible, with a lower chance of injury. Once you have it dialled on that, move onto a slightly higher wall and so forth. Its what I did, and I could go up to the same height I could with brakes in a very short space of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted May 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 That's the one problem I have, absolutely fook all to ride near me without a good half hours drive which kind of makes it out of reach in terms of how much time I have spare to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 In that case, it looks like it is just going to be numerous attempts at what you have. Hey, falls are all part of the fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 So I should just practice riding then, bit of a generalisation don't you think. As general as it is, it's kind of true too - especially with brakeless. You kind of logically know what you've got to do, and I find it happens quicker if I just keep trying rather than concentrate on what people have told me. Basically you know you've got to hop and turn at the same time, so hop and turn Start on a smaller wall if possible, with a lower chance of injury. Once you have it dialled on that, move onto a slightly higher wall and so forth. Its what I did, and I could go up to the same height I could with brakes in a very short space of time. Oddly, when I was brakeless the first couple of times I was hopping higher than I am now with brakes. I think it's the fact you have no option about being a bitch, you just have to get up or eat shit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) Oddly, when I was brakeless the first couple of times I was hopping higher than I am now with brakes. I think it's the fact you have no option about being a bitch, you just have to get up or eat shit... My progression was far faster due to the "make it or fail" type of riding brakeless can be. Your commitment to the line/ move is much stronger I found. Edited May 20, 2012 by Echo Lite 09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 After a short Hull ride yesterday while thinking about this thread I do different things depending on the situation.... Static - Kinda hop off from two strait on letting the rear roll over the edge then landing to two. (probably the most fun, especially when the front drops below the wall before your rear comes off but you manage to pull it through!) A Little speed - pedal off and land rear first. Good speed - roll off the edge to two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 ...especially when the front drops below the wall before your rear comes off but you manage to pull it through!) If you've got a small-ish space before another object, you can sort of 'pump' drops if you do them that way and gain speed from doing them. Sort of hard to explain how, but basically you just make sure your front's super low, then really push through it, and as you land to two sort of give it a pump. Feels awesome when it works, it's like you've got a motor on or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I think I get what you mean.....I'll give it a go next time I'm out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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