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With a driver who doesn't know what's going on driving? On exactly the same bit of road? With exactly the same braking point? Without any of the other gazillions of variables that real life gives? ;)

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Nope. I'll NEVER accept this, so you might as well agree with me or be prepared for a long and gruesome battle over it.

I don't care what anybody says, I'm totally f**king astounded that you guys are arguing OEM pads over DS2500's for somebody who is looking to increase the power of their car by almost 30% over standard.

I literally cannot believe it.

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I cannot find a single review, comment, thread, or suggestion that DS2500's aren't a massive improvement over stock pads across loads of different platforms. Other than from you guys. And having personally driven my own car with OE pads for four years I cannot put into words just quite how much of an improvement in all areas the two cars with DS2500's I've driven have been.

Most people don't even have a clue how to bed them in, and as such they're shit for the life of the pad. Prawn made this mistake with his first set.

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Nowhere did Luke say he was increasing the power. You're changing the story to suit your arguement AGAIN.

Nobody is saying they aren't better; they ARE better...when at their optimum operating temperature. They are shit when cold (compared to OEM pads at the same temperature). On a road car that is going to spend 90% of its life with cold brakes, OEM pads WILL be better. Your stubborness doesn't change that fact.

The optimum temperature window of an OEM pad is lower than that of DS2500's. That is why they are better for "normal" driving.

I'm well aware of how to bed them in. Again, doesn't change the fact they don't work properly without using them a bit first.

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having personally driven my own car with OE pads for four years I cannot put into words just quite how much of an improvement in all areas the two cars with DS2500's I've driven have been.

Apart from when cold, which is what we're talking about :P

We're not saying they are pants (well, mine wouldn't even take 2 laps without disappearing, but that's a different story), just that OE pads are probably a better solution all things considered (including price!) for the use of the car.

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I think he just wants to do it right once and get the best possible result he can afford.

He's doing more and more to the car, I suspect it will be mapped within the next six months.

No, I really did.

I don't really care Ads/Seamons, in fact I don't give two f**ks :)

Rainbird can have and will have whatever pads he wants, and as somebody who enjoys a good drive I'm sure he'll make the right choice for him once he's considered the options.

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The optimum word being "suspect".

He could have 3000bhp, it doesn't make a difference to the fact if he's doing average speeds, on average roads, OEM pads are more than up to the job. IF, however, as you say...he ends up deciding he does fancy a decent hoon, then DS2500's may be an option if he feels the are worth the extra.

He asked for options and opinions. People gave options and opinions. You gave your opinion, made it sound like fact, then cried when you got shot down and proven wrong...just like always. There are at least two people on this thread who have had OEM pads, AND DS2500's. Both of them are saying the DS2500's aren't as good when cold as the OEM pads. Its hardly rocket science to understand that. Why don't you go and do the test, and post up the results. Then you'll see yourself.

...and while you're at it, fit racing slicks to your car. They offer far improved grip over standard tyres ;)

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Jesus, I've been sat on trains all day and have returned to carnage. This thread has become more of a mess than the public transport system I've been using today :P

I'll be doing a shitload of reading up before I buy anything so each individual thread will be taken with a pinch of salt, I was just hoping to get a few opinions from different folk that have experience with the range of pads.

I'm on a largely standard setup at the mp with regards to power at least, but as Jardo mentioned I will more than likely throw on a decent map at some point, probably to around 225bhp or so so nothing massive but given that the roads near home are fun for a 'proper' drive on occasion I was just wondering whether or not it was worth getting something updated compared to an OEM setup and the Ferodos had been mentioned on a few sites. If they need to be fairly hot to perform then I'll continue the search, and if nothing else it's nice to know that the EBC option can be scrubbed from the list :P

Edit; thanks to all for the input though, appreciate it all (Y)

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Haha, yeah, screw EBCs. Had some on my Golf and they were 'ok' but there's so many reports of them being poop.

If you do plan to up the power and do some road hooning then uprated pads might be prudent, certainly don't NEED them though IMO.

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We're not talking like glowing red hot discs. I can get mine up to temperature with probably 5 decent stops from 30mph. But having to know you have to do that to have awesome brakes gets a bit tedious!

Nearly every performance pad you can buy will need more heat than a standard pad, its just how they work.



Jardo, the only way to do it is to have DS's yourself. If you were here now, I'd let you take my car out of my garage, and go up the road and slam the brakes on, you would NOT smash your head on anything other than the hedge you had just plowed through.

However, give it a few more stops, then do the same again...and you'd have whiplash from stopping so quickly.

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Haha, yeah I get that they just need warming up rather than competing with the sun. I guess ideally I'm after something that's just a little more hardcore than the OEM setup from cold really. As much as I love a spirited drive I'm not planning on taking it on track or anything so much more is probably a bit excessive. Should that ever change a new set of pads is hardly an issue ata later date. If there's nothing that really jumps out as a definite choice then I'm more than happy to run the OE pads again.

Jardo - from what I can remember you weren't on 312s yet, were you? (I could easily be wrong!) If so I'll just steal the Audi at some point to get a feel for the DSs :P

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So, conflicting opinions here...

I got my Leon lowered today, with FK coilies and an uprated ARB. Those shit drop links I had, I sold yesterday - the mechanics who sorted my car today advised me to get some "Because the standard ones will snap at that angle".

Please tell me I didn't lose £18 on those drop links, only to have to spend another £30 on some more?

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Nope, it shouldn't effect the angle of the drop link in a way which could snap it. Not my call though to be fair, Seamons and Prawn were the ones who confirmed this setup so any questions are probably best pointed at them. I've never heard it be a problem with anyone else though.

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They will need spacing out by about 20mm. If he has just used the standard bolt, they will be at quite an angle, and will look pretty dodgy. They wont snap though, they will just wear out quicker. Get a 20mm longer bolt, and 2 nuts, or as many washers as it takes to make 20mm, or anything to space it out, and refix the droplink at a better angle.

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