SamKidney Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 ok but from your first post all of the defects that you had mentioned have been addressed and corrected by Magura on the 2011 model so it seemed to me that you were telling magura to improve the 05 by redeveloping it (which they have by the creation of the 11) by carrying out all of the changes they made in the development of the 11. Just my opinion I suppose. Almost everyone Ive spoken to has said they prefer the 05's. Easier to bleed, look nicer and perform just as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 If the 05's had the split bar clamp I'd go back to them without a doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 surely older braided hoses would fit anyway or you could get the Hope kit from tartys? M9 barbed fitting at the lever = no bueno. If you can't tighten bolts up correctly (and snap lever bodies at the bar clamp) and can't set up brakes properly (so use a load of TPA to get your brake to work), then the 2011 brake is probably the one for you. If you can tighten up bolts correctly and don't need to put 37 full turns on your TPA to get your pads in the same post code as your rim then the '05s usually work pretty well. The only thing you "need" to do is grind the angled corner off the body, but once that's done they're pretty decent. If your bar clamp is loose enough to allow your lever to move in the event of a crash (thus ruling out snapping from over-tightening too) then shit's TNT. 4-finger lever and you're done. Braided hoses can do one. EDIT: Having said that, if I was in the market for a new lever I'd probably go for the cheap option and get a HS11. 4-finger lever as standard, pretty cheap, black. Not really much bad about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i like cunning stunts Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 The new maguras are just too flexy dont like the feel of them one bit and ive had a couple of pairs and tried a few on other bikes, all the same. Theres a reason 99% of the best riders use the 05s and thats because they feel much much better than the new model. Wish someone would come out with a cnc lever that doesnt leak and can be bled with water, can't be that hard surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 '04. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 The new maguras are just too flexy dont like the feel of them one bit and ive had a couple of pairs and tried a few on other bikes, all the same. Theres a reason 99% of the best riders use the 05s and thats because they feel much much better than the new model. Wish someone would come out with a cnc lever that doesnt leak and can be bled with water, can't be that hard surely. Cap seems to have the skills with them. He set James Hyland's brakes up (bled with water & antifreeze) and they felt f**king amazing. I think them being apparently tricky to bleed combined with a lot of people not bleeding them properly means quite a few people are riding brakes with sketchy bleeds, which kind of add to the flexy feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Think I might whip mine off the bike tomorrow and give them a water/antifreeze bleed at work tomorrow night to see how they feel on sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 2004 shape bodies, splitter and RB designs blades. The 05's as pointed out were riddled with design flaws. Once you make your own TPA for an 04, or use a different lever you're sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 2011 maggie is best one out of them all i had trouble with all other maggies It's just that your new model probably hasn't had the opportunity to fail yet. As someone who sells these brakes I've found the new model to be much more unreliable in terms of leakages. It's not common for it to leak but it happens a lot more frequently than with the previous brakes. In terms of performance performance, I really like my '11 HS11. Then again I really like my other Maggie which is an 05' style 4 finger HS33. Personally can't say a bad thing about these brakes yet apart from the HS11 being a pig to bleed even with the service manual as help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogo Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 fresh products blade on 04......Nuff said Tris knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Manning Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 I've been running the '05 lever bodies for years. I love them, yes the body tends to crack, but if you cut the body to eliminate the right angle in the body, this seems to prevent it ever cracking. I've been using a front body on the rear brake for about a year and it only started cracking a few months ago. I've cut the right angle out and now it's all good. I've also found with the front body on the rear that the lever bolt has never come undone. I use this body with the Magura CNC lever and a water bleed, nice and light feel and very responsive on the lever return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skorp Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Do anyone know if the pistons in the 11 maguras are smaller than previous? All of them are just as bad.. but if i had to pick, i would have a 04, just because they don't break and kill me. The 04's had their TPA issues, but where easy to fix, and when fixed, they are better than original. The 05's cracks, and it doesn't take that much force to break them in a fall. Plastic TPA which wears out. The 11's seem to hold up pretty well. Altough i have heard of people braking them from normal use and falls. Also some parts can break on these too. Don't clearly remember, but think it was the pin that push the piston who broke. I have tred to bleed one too. Simple in theory, but its impossible to get the feel that 04's and 05's have. Squishy nasty feel on them Imho, Vees is the only way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 I really can't understand Maguras design process. They had a product that's largely successful, but had known flaws, so rather than building on that design and fixing the known flaws, they completely redesigned the whole thing resulting in the 05 brake. This turned out to have it's own design flaws, but was also a mostly successful design, and now again, rather than fixing these flaws to end up with a product they know will be good, they completely redesign it again, opening them selves up for more issues with yet another untested design. Over 3 models of brake, they've failed to develop the design to a point that's past that of a first attempt because they seem to have an obsession with starting from scratch rather than building on what they already know to better their products. Personally I prefer the 04 brakes, the TPA issues are easily fixed and the rest of the brake's pretty problem free, plus I find the lever more comfortable than the 05's. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Over 3 models of brake, they've failed to develop the design to a point that's past that of a first attempt because they seem to have an obsession with starting from scratch rather than building on what they already know to better their products. It's definitely not a coincidence. My guess is that they're trying to make a product which will last long enough to make the riders happy but not so long that it puts the company out of business. It can be a danger that, didn't an AK-47 manufacturer shut down recently because the firearm was just too reliable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Don't forget though that the trials market is a tiny one compared to the European XC market they're aimed at and I bet they don't break as many as we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skorp Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) Don't forget though that the trials market is a tiny one compared to the European XC market they're aimed at and I bet they don't break as many as we do. But ALL trials riders have owned a Magura rim brake. They are very rare on Xc bike. I have seen a few on some touring bikes, my guess is that most of the maguras are to be found on trials bikes. I've worked somthing like 5 years in a bike shop.. In that time i think i have bled one Hs11, and changed one that was broken..Not really common. Edited May 6, 2012 by Skorp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Personally I'd take an Avid SD7 set-up any day over a Maggie, but my favourite type of Magura are the '04 models. Aside from the standard TPA's snapping - which is easily avoidable - they really are the most simple and least flawed design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 The playmobil one looks shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 04's for the win. or old school hs22 green frog limited edition. came with Cnc boosters if I remember it right. I had a set on my xc bike when I was a wee bairn (null) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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