williams Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) YOOO! Im after a new frame. And wan't something very flicky and stable on the backwheel. Im going to use the frame with "Rockman 7050 risers" Don't know about the stem yet. Help with stem to would be apreciated. ANd with maguras Im 175 cm long. The choises are: Echo Team '09 Echo Lite 2011 (With BB) And the one Im probably going to buy: Because Color 20" 2012 Which one should I get? ANy help would be apreciated. Edited May 4, 2012 by williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials-Mikey Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 i recently bought the echo team 09 and it is very good. nice and strong buy still lightweight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 I'd go with the 2011 echo lite, but with disc mounts, only reason, is i find disc brakes have a lot more bite and hold than magura's, and they also work in the wet, and duel disc mate your bike look pretty slick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted April 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 What are your thoughts about "Because colour 20"? Geo is: Geometry (When measured with 365mm x 35mm fork, sold seperately) Wheelbase: 1005mm Chainstay Length: 350mm BB Rise: +85mm Head Angle: 71 degrees Centre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 595mm I'm around 175 cm long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam n Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 I'd go with echo 2011 just bought one my self seems awesome in the last 2 days. I used to ride 1000 wb 1020 seems to fit me better. first echo is old,"onza" is terrible imo,"Because" are just generally badly made! nothing wrong with maggies especially if you side hop to the left, (nothing wrong with a good disc either). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 I just got a Because Gelpr 26" seems alright, isn't silver, has good geo and is cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'scoolfool Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 I just got a Because Gelpr 26" seems alright, isn't silver, has good geo and is cheap Color Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Color Graphics say Gelpr, that's my story and im sticking too it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Yeah, I mean I know Because say it's a Color, but it's definitely a Gelpr... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bella Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 i have an echo light and love it though i like long frames. if i wasnt 6"4 i would have a colour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted April 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I'd go with echo 2011 just bought one my self seems awesome in the last 2 days. I used to ride 1000 wb 1020 seems to fit me better. first echo is old,"onza" is terrible imo,"Because" are just generally badly made! nothing wrong with maggies especially if you side hop to the left, (nothing wrong with a good disc either). But you're much taller than me. It does atleast look like that in your videos. Im around 5.7 feet according to some converter. That's why I'm more looking at the Because. And I like the green one, And it would be fun to have something with a color on it, not just plain silver (nothing against echo's, I like them really much) And to have something slighly odd/different would be cool. And what do you mean that Because ar badly made? Does it have bad welds? Already have a Onza pro, but just something new. I already have maggies Loving your videos btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 As far as geo is concerned you'd be walking back a few steps with the limey. I think it's the same geo as a T-pro, which was an all round brilliant frame but personally I think the blade/pro/ice 2 are just amazing frames to begin with. Get the echo 2011 Or just raw your pro as the baby blue colour is disgusting lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted April 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 As far as geo is concerned you'd be walking back a few steps with the limey. I think it's the same geo as a T-pro, which was an all round brilliant frame but personally I think the blade/pro/ice 2 are just amazing frames to begin with. Get the echo 2011 Or just raw your pro as the baby blue colour is disgusting lol Ok then Limey isn't a option. The thing is that I don't like my frame. It's not because the geometry is wrong, it's becase it sooooo flexy and just seems overall weak. And the fact that one of my magura mount is f*cked... And yes i've tried helicoil. I really like the echo frame, but as I did mention in the other reply, It would be cool with something a tad different BUT I don't know that much about Geometry, I suppose higher BB is generally better? And The Because frame have higher BB than The echo. And yes, the Onza pro color is awful haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam n Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 . That's why I'm more looking at the Because. And I like the green one, And it would be fun to have something with a color on it, not just plain silver (nothing against echo's, I like them really much) And to have something slighly odd/different would be cool. And what do you mean that Because ar badly made? Does it have bad welds? Loving your videos btw I'm 5 ft 10 the reach on my echo is only like 5mm different than my comp, which is what makes the bike feel long/short. I haven't personally had a because but, according to the person i always ride with (alex dark) because have a similar build quality to a bionic. and from my experience with a bionic frame i wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. and Thanks dude! I really like the echo frame, but as I did mention in the other reply, It would be cool with something a tad different BUT I don't know that much about Geometry, I suppose higher BB is generally better? And The Because frame have higher BB than The echo. Higher BB is not necessarily better, look a CLS one of the best TGS riders ever rides low BB, personal preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted April 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I'm 5 ft 10 the reach on my echo is only like 5mm different than my comp, which is what makes the bike feel long/short. I haven't personally had a because but, according to the person i always ride with (alex dark) because have a similar build quality to a bionic. and from my experience with a bionic frame i wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. and Thanks dude! Higher BB is not necessarily better, look a CLS one of the best TGS riders ever rides low BB, personal preference. Thanks mate for your comment. I've heard some bad things about bionic but also some good. mostly bad though. Im just in love with the green because... Can't help it... The geo seems slighly better for me too. Alex Is a awesome rider to, tell him that haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 My friends because had the gussets all welded pissed and one chain stay welded slightly off. Saying that I've also been on another friends because simple which was lovely. Hit and miss to be honest My friends because had the gussets all welded pissed and one chain stay welded slightly off. Saying that I've also been on another friends because simple which was lovely. Hit and miss to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted May 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Update, please help! Sorry for the bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeroyHUK Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 have you looked into the speedrace FANS? everyone seems to like them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted May 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 have you looked into the speedrace FANS? everyone seems to like them No I haven't. The thing is that it would be great to order it straight from tarty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Both the Because and the Echo ride really nicely. Although I did measure my friends Color 20" and that came out with a 75mm BB rise on Urban forks. Personally I preferred that bike to the Echo Lite due to the slightly lower BB. Not sure why the measurements on Tarty are different, perhaps Because revised their frames yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williams Posted May 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Both the Because and the Echo ride really nicely. Although I did measure my friends Color 20" and that came out with a 75mm BB rise on Urban forks. Personally I preferred that bike to the Echo Lite due to the slightly lower BB. Not sure why the measurements on Tarty are different, perhaps Because revised their frames yet again. Thank's mate really appreciate it! Going to buy the Because in green, looks sooooo good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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