William trials Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) My bleed of the 2011 magura hs33 was a pain in the arse and is bad. I want to try to water bleed it. Can I use screenwash for cars as a antifreeze? And could water bleed cause any problems? thanks Edited April 2, 2012 by William trials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the mysterious leemur Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I've heard a few guys say that 2011 hs33s don't like water very much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I've heard plenty of people say 2004 and 2005 Maguras "don't like water" too, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William trials Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I've heard plenty of people say 2004 and 2005 Maguras "don't like water" too, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily right... agreed. So should i give it a try? And one more question, is it true that you can't use the TPA when it's water bled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt24. Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I run an early maggie, I have run loads over the last ten years and always water bled. Never had an issue, never used antifreeze. I wouldn't bother this time of year. I do it for the brake feel rather than ease of bleeding, my tpa also works so not sure why it wouldn't on a modern maggie. Give it a go, whats the worst that could happen?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William trials Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I run an early maggie, I have run loads over the last ten years and always water bled. Never had an issue, never used antifreeze. I wouldn't bother this time of year. I do it for the brake feel rather than ease of bleeding, my tpa also works so not sure why it wouldn't on a modern maggie. Give it a go, whats the worst that could happen?????? Thanks mate for the reply , the reason I wan't to use screenwash as a antifreeze is that it's going to be like 4 degres here in sweden, I don't want the water to freeze inside the brake line :/ Does screenwash work, or would it fu*k up the brake lines or seals etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Antifreeze actually contains some additives that are pretty good for your brake. It's got lubricants and corrosion inhibitors in it which should theoretically keep things running well even if the temperature's above 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William trials Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 One more qustion, do I have to empty it on oil, or can I just put it in the a box with water and just follow revolvers guide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt24. Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Ah in that case yeah pop a small amount of antifreeze in as Mark says above it is non corrosive and will in effect lubricate in some way, when ever I have bled from oil to water I have always the first time kept bleeding till no oil left, it wouldnt cause an issue if small amounts are left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 * Well i;ve heard maguras dont work well with water in general... So nURRRRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Antifreeze actually contains some additives that are pretty good for your brake. It's got lubricants and corrosion inhibitors in it which should theoretically keep things running well even if the temperature's above 0. I think your getting mixed up with coolant and anti freeze, anti freeze is very corrosive just try putting some on a painted surface. I think its ethylene glycol that's the corrosive bit. Don't put screen wash or anti freeze in the 2011 brakes, they will leak if you do. I think it eats away the lever body. The older ones can withstand it better though Ah in that case yeah pop a small amount of coolant in as dave says above it is non corrosive and will in effect lubricate in some way, when ever I have bled from oil to water I have always the first time kept bleeding till no oil left, it wouldnt cause an issue if small amounts are left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Every bottle I've ever bought has said "Antifreeze and coolant" on it, so I pretty much only ever refer to it as 'antifreeze'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Every bottle I've ever bought has said "Antifreeze and coolant" on it, so I pretty much only ever refer to it as 'antifreeze'. Actually just read about some anti freeze and coolant, they provide lubrication and prevent corrosion but to ferrous and non ferrous metals. Not plastics and rubber. But it's ethylene glycol that's added to stop it freezing, I think this is the stuff that eats some types of plastics and rubbers. Edited April 3, 2012 by dave33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Let's go with this - if someone's used that and their brake didn't melt, it must obviously work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Easy mistake to make i suppose Must be I guess if even the AA make it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Must be I guess if even the AA make it too. They are just trying the simplify it All I know is I can only use blue colour coolant in my car because red will corrode the internals. Of course if you don't trust me you can go right ahead and fill your 2011 magura with antifreeze or screen wash This is where I just read about the difference Coolant and antifreeze is a topic we are asked about on a regular basis, and often causes confusion; types, colours, service life etc. Perhaps the most frequent cause of confusion is what the difference between anti-freeze or coolant is. Basically, they’re the same product (although the term “coolant” could just be applied to plain water; see below!) To help clear some of the confusion up on the more technical details of antifreeze and coolants we enlisted the help of Martyn Mann – Technical Director, Millers Oils UK - who has provided the information below. Not all antifreeze / coolant is the same! Coolant can be plain water; water is a very effective coolant but would not protect against sub freezing temperatures or protect against corrosion inside the engine. The use of antifreeze protects against both problems. Antifreeze not only suppresses the freezing point of your engine coolant, but provides good corrosion protection and increases the boiling point during use. Most commercial antifreeze formulations include a glycol (to suppress the freezing point and raise the boiling point), corrosion inhibiting compounds and a coloured dye (commonly orange, green, red, or blue fluorescent) to aid in identification. A 1:1 dilution with water is usually used, resulting in a freezing point in the range of minus 37 °C to minus 42 °C, depending on the formulation. There are two basic types of coolant available today dependent on the corrosion inhibitors used: ·inorganic additive technology (IAT) ·organic additive technology (OAT) Inorganic Additive Technology This is the traditional coolant based on inorganic additives and is called inorganic additive technology (IAT). It is a tried and proven chemistry that provides a fast acting protective film. The additives deplete and the coolant needs to be drained and replenished every couple of years. This type can be used on all mixed metal engines with components including steel, cast iron, copper, brass, aluminium and solder without any detrimental effect. Organic Acid Technology The newer OAT coolants work differently than the older silicate based IAT coolants. Aluminium and ferrous metals form a surface-layer of corrosion in the presence of moisture, even with the little bit of moisture in the air. OAT coolants prevent this metal-oxide layer that protects the surface against this corrosion. Inherent with their design, the OAT coolants last longer than the older traditional IAT coolants. This category of antifreeze cannot be used in systems containing yellow metals. A couple of questions and answers. Why are coolants different colours? Coolants/antifreezes are coloured so you can visually see them; colour intensity can be an indication of over dilution. The different colours are non specific to the different types of antifreeze. The manufacturer can dye the product any colour they want. The colour is no guide to the actual type of antifreeze type and the label should be read before use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koxx lad Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 im currently running an 05 maggie with just water and no antifreeze and i bought it second hand and the guy that i bought it off has always water bled it and it still works like a dream so i dontsee y it would be any diffent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William trials Posted April 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 haha im just going to use it with water, im not gonna ride when it's cold i guess.. But a Huge thanks to everyone who spent their time helping me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Kilgar Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 i was running a 2011 maggie with oil and was good and then water bled it and things didint go well seemed to leak out of the lever and tpa didnt work then got a 05 lever and works amazing with water and no leaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTTY___ Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Firstly, Sorry to Bump an old thread!! Im after water bleeding my HS33 2011. Now a previous question was asked here an never answer. Can you bath bleed 2011 HS33 Maguras? Have magura fixed the leak issue people semed to have? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_trials Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Yes you can, I found it was easier due to the fact the cable twists when opening the bleed port at the lever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 I have water bled mine, just keep it under water and you shouldn't have any issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTTY___ Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Just done it in the sink. Lever feel has massively improved. Shit loads of air came out aswell. Fingers crossed this will improve the brake! Was a little fiddly in the sink. Would recommend doing it in the bath and laying the brake out next time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) bleed it with antifreeze and forget about it (you'll be able to ride even in -30°C). density is similar to water. Edited June 27, 2013 by clerictgm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dngr2self Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 bleed it with antifreeze and forget about it (you'll be able to ride even in -30°C). density is similar to water. It's also corrosive and it'll mess the seals up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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