isitafox Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Right I've got enough cash to pick up a new frame I'm just not sure what to go for. I did fancy a new Onza Genesis frame but sadly my budget won't stretch that far so I'm looking towards either a Bionic B5R or Zhi Z3R and wondered if anyone could give me any reviews on either of these?? I saw a lot of riders on what I think are the Zhi Team frames on Sunday and I may consider one of these if I can stretch my budget enough if anyone can comment??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Right I've got enough cash to pick up a new frame I'm just not sure what to go for. I did fancy a new Onza Genesis frame but sadly my budget won't stretch that far so I'm looking towards either a Bionic B5R or Zhi Z3R and wondered if anyone could give me any reviews on either of these?? I saw a lot of riders on what I think are the Zhi Team frames on Sunday and I may consider one of these if I can stretch my budget enough if anyone can comment??!! Both the Zhi Team and Z3R frames are properly nice frames. Ive had a spin on both, and out of the two Id choose the Z3R. Geo seems spot on and you dont need a mod stem to make it feel right. After riding the Team, and looking at the geo, you do really need a mod stem to make it comfortable. Really does have crazy high BB rise. Get one on there though and they feel really nice. Id go for the Z3R. Great looking frames, strong, cheap and ride really, really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie East Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Onza are selling an ex display Genesis frame on Ebay CLICK ME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onzatrip Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Bionic and z3r are the same frames!! You know it dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Bionic and z3r are the same frames!! You know it dude. Why are they completely different then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onzatrip Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Why are they completely different then? Same geo, different downtube bionic, same company as zhi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 indeed, but the Zhi is stiffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onzatrip Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 indeed, but the Zhi is stiffer. Indeed it is but tad more expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 yah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Zhi's also have different head tube gussets which leads to them being less likely to do this: I quite like my Zhi, really similar to the Echo pure 2011 geometry too, just 2-300gr heavier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.KYDD Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 I've had a play on a few Zhi Z3R frame and I just can't get on with them They feel as though they are just a little too short for their BB rise - though that may be because i've not ridden one with a mod stem fitted, which i think they'd benefit from I've got a new Limey 4 arriving today/tomorrow so will having fun getting used to that once i've stripped it of its nasty nasty paint job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Zhi's also have different head tube gussets which leads to them being less likely to do this: Who's frame is that out of interest? I've only seen one person do that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted March 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Same geo, different downtube bionic, same company as zhi. Thought the Zhi had a higher BB, 75 compared to 60 on the Bionic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 In my experience the zhi could have a bb height of anything between 55 and 75mm depending on how pissed he was at the time o weldage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 I know Zhi and Bionic are the same company but the build quality of my Zhi was shocking, gussets welded wonky, chainstays arent in the same place, disc mount was so f**ked I was forced to run a post mount brake etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 There were 3 z3 stocks.... the original Z3 with +40mm bb rise and vert dropouts, the +60mm one with horiz dropouts and finally the +75 one that's identical to the +60 in every other way apart from finish ) anodised instead of painted. Mark, I believe that was Canardweb's ( simon Kuchesberger , [sp?] ) old bionic. I have seen a couple of pures snap there ( they have identical downtube gussets I think? whereas the Zhi has an open ended one that better serves to dissipate the stress I think. My zhi seems fine, no real issues with it and being as tiny as I am it fits me perfectly. Fact, the z3r is only 10mm shorter in the reach that an Echo pure 2011, so not exactly a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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