greg1040 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Really tempted to go splash out on the full echo build from tarty. Anyways what like are the kenda tyres or would I be better off getting a new set? Also saw a lot of people with different stems on these I have a tarty stem left from my stock I could use or any 1 suggest a stem that goes well with these bikes. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konstant Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I had quite a few pinches running the Kinetics on my Pure, even with lots of air. It's fine on the front though. I think they do a Big Betty in 24"? Clearance might be an issue but a half link should sort it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlperkins Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) just a few things with that build.. the echo cage pedals are known for snapping. the echo bars are known for snapping, me and mate both had it in the same place! the forks apparently are snappy, or that may be the magura ones. but they are very flexy your probably going to need a bigger stem if your tall, i.e 6 foot. youll probably need a booster as a rear maggy sucks without one probably need new rear pads to run a grind to get a good brake and a big betty on the back will be good, i run one with no cleareance issues. thats my opinion anyway. hope it helps Edited March 18, 2012 by Carlperkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1040 Posted March 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Thanks for the reply I ordered it up today and got new rear pads to go with it. I also have a spare stem at home so will see how that goes as I'm 6 foot 2. I've never ran a booster with any frame so shall see how the break is. Where about would u recommend to get 1 of those tyres. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlperkins Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 cool, im 6 foot and i run a 165mm x 35* trialtech race forged mod stem. just to give you an idea i dont actually know where you can get a big betty, probably off chain reaction cycles but they are like £45! (i have a kenda blue groove super grippy tyre for sale, just incase your interested) yeah you may not need a booster, but i run a super powerful maggy and my frame flex's like a bitch, side note.. i recommend trialtech 4 bolt booster not echo urban - they flex like shit too.. the pedals and bars will last a while, just keep an eye out if you value your face. my bars lasted 4 months of riding, and my mates pedals.. probably about the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 It's not just how the brake performs with/without a booster, but also the frame flexes so much it will probably crack near the mounts eventually if you don't use one.... Rear turret is get a fat Albert or big betty, but as said they're about £45. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 fat albert is shite on the rear, pinches like f**k at low pressures, no grip at higher pressures and no grip at all in the wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1040 Posted March 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Thanks for the advice got pads and booster and stem Sorted. Going to see how I get on with the kenda tyre before purchasing anything else but will get the big Betty if it's not to my liking. Bike should be here tomorow Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 fat albert is shite on the rear, pinches like f**k at low pressures, no grip at higher pressures and no grip at all in the wet. Not really had any of those issues at all. It's fairly unstable at low pressures due to the thinner side walls, but not had any issues with grip on natural, wet or dry or with punctures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 which compound is your tyre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlperkins Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 i had a fat albert for downhill use, not sure what compound it was but it was crap. grip was shit, cant say as i ever got a puncture though as i had high tyre pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 i had a fat albert for downhill use, not sure what compound it was but it was crap. grip was shit, cant say as i ever got a puncture though as i had high tyre pressure Aye but the grip needs for DH and trials are very different. I used a panaracer tyre on my DH bike and it was awesome in anything but dry conditions. Put it on the trials bike and it was diabolical, gave no grip on any type of surface, wet or dry. The fat albert i have is this one. The newer compounds (trailstar, vertstar etc) found on the Big Betty have had quite a few issues with wear and nobbles ripping off when used for MTB. Anyone experienced this with trials? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rankin Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Currently running a fat albert on my Karbra and find it really good in the dry. Gives fantastic bounce and grips well but in the wet especially on natural its awful as i experienced first hand at the National....You have to weigh up your options because of the limited tyres out there that suit a rear wheel. If only Koxx made a 24" bike all our problems would be answered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlperkins Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Aye but the grip needs for DH and trials are very different. I used a panaracer tyre on my DH bike and it was awesome in anything but dry conditions. Put it on the trials bike and it was diabolical, gave no grip on any type of surface, wet or dry. The fat albert i have is this one. The newer compounds (trailstar, vertstar etc) found on the Big Betty have had quite a few issues with wear and nobbles ripping off when used for MTB. Anyone experienced this with trials? ahh yeah spose. im running the new big betty at the moment. i havent had any nobbles ripping off etc but i wouldnt say that it lives up to its reputation to be honest. i run a kenda blue groove tyre before and it had SO much grip! it was insane, it could hold onto anything. the big betty seems to slip abit more. the only problem with the kenda is that its 1.2 kilos instead of 800g for the big betty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Currently running a fat albert on my Karbra and find it really good in the dry. Gives fantastic bounce and grips well but in the wet especially on natural its awful as i experienced first hand at the National....You have to weigh up your options because of the limited tyres out there that suit a rear wheel. If only Koxx made a 24" bike all our problems would be answered Myself and Josh Kydd were saying that this weekend, a try all stiky lite 24" would be awesome. Just can't see koxx coming into the 24" market. I ran a nevegal before and like you say Carl it was awesome, but soooooooo heavy. It's literally half a kilo more than the fat Albert I run at the moment. I might try a big betty, just a shame its almost pot luck on a tyre that cost £40-50. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1040 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 So bike arrived today. Think I'm going to stick to the kenda tyres altho they weigh a lot I've never been a weight weenie Seems to have good bounce and grip so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narrowbars Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Really rate my Maxxis Swampthing. 960 grams, nice and stable at low pressure and pretty good against pinch flats despite being single ply. Super tacky compound so good grips although wear rates quite high. Had a Big Betty and was ok but rolled around a lot at low pressure and didn't feel very stable + ripped quite a few bits of tread of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Really rate my Maxxis Swampthing. 960 grams, nice and stable at low pressure and pretty good against pinch flats despite being single ply. Super tacky compound so good grips although wear rates quite high. Had a Big Betty and was ok but rolled around a lot at low pressure and didn't feel very stable + ripped quite a few bits of tread of it. I agree with all of this ^^^ I ran a big betty, then a swampthing and am now running a dual ply highroller 2.5 (VERY hard to find!!) weight wise the highroller and std tube was the same weight as the swampthing with a HD tube (Which was needed realy) and the highroller is soooooo much better than the swampthing, even with the same compound! I am not saying the swampthing was bad though, it was better than the big betty, more grip and more stable. and as it happens, I actualy have a brand new maxxis swampthing 2.5 slow reezay for sale, £30 posted Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1040 Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Thought i would bump my old thread rather than starting a new 1. Anyways I'm not overly impressed with my echo disc break how long till it should be fully bedded in. Doesn't really have much hold ATM so I can't do any into fronts. I have always ran dual maggie as that is what I prefer but with disc only forks am forced to run disc and would like it working as good as possible since I'm a tgs basher. Would a change of pads help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Best option is hope pro pads + hope 180mm rotor. It'll improve the brake loads, the standard pads aren't that great and I never liked the rotor, took stupidly long to bed in and then squeeled like a bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyBrew Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 ^ agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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