Laurence--Trials Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) All these 24 pure trials have alot of rise on them, using mod stems and high bars, i was thinking of either high rise bars or a new stem. But want to know how the rise of a stem effects how your bike rides. I have had a search though the forum but didn't find anything that helped me. I was thinking about a 150X30 Stem. Edited March 7, 2012 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Personaly i dont like high stems! This is what i know high stems are good for! bunny hops and rolling moves ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 All these 24 pure trials have alot of rise on them, using mod stems and high bars, i was thinking of either high rise bars or a new stem. But want to know how the rise of a stem effects how your bike rides. I have had a search though the forum but didn't find anything that helped me. I was thinking about a 150X30 Stem. I'm 5'8, have a 24" Echo Trial and run a 150x30 TryAll stem, TryAll Carbon bars and 15mm of stackers and it feels spot on. Certainly wouldn't want it any higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterjordan86 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Lower rise in a stem makes the bike easier to control on the back wheel, as you are more vertical. Higher rise stems make it easier to lift the front wheel for bunny hops. See Tarty Bikes product guide to stems here, and around 2 minutes in he explains it for you. For instance; I've just changed the bar and stem on my Zoot, to an FSA XC-190 with 100mm rise of 17 Deg, so it still feels fairly short, and 2" rise bars makes it so much easier to lift the front wheel for hops & rolling tricks as Dave said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted March 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I'm about 5.7ish i'm using inspired bars(88rise) at the moment with a tartybikes foged 125X30 stem. Lower rise in a stem makes the bike easier to control on the back wheel, as you are more vertical. Higher rise stems make it easier to lift the front wheel for bunny hops. See Tarty Bikes product guide to stems here, and around 2 minutes in he explains it for you. For instance; I've just changed the bar and stem on my Zoot, to an FSA XC-190 with 100mm rise of 17 Deg, so it still feels fairly short, and 2" rise bars makes it so much easier to lift the front wheel for hops & rolling tricks as Dave said. It seems like i have a good stem then? if a shorter one makes it more flicky while a lower one makes it better on the rear wheel. I cant see any advantages of moving to a different stem to be fair. Is having a less flicky bike good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 It always amuses me when people say higher bars are "worse" for rear wheel use. Trials bikes are NOT hard to back hop, especially if it has such a short back end and high bb as the Echo 24". I am a big fan of high front ends, they are more comfy when actually riding, they usually make the rider more stylish (as they can just lift the front up rather than have to use pedal strokes and they are not riding around with their back flat to the floor) and they generally feel a lot nicer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Experiment with every height you can, I basically set mine up to pull up effortlessly, too low & it's too hard, but there is such a thing as too high as well. For me too high is when the balance point on the back wheel (manuals mainly) becomes too low, I just don't like the feel of it & I feel limited on bunnyhops as the bars are already so high but my feet are in the same place. Edited March 7, 2012 by LEON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted March 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) It always amuses me when people say higher bars are "worse" for rear wheel use. Trials bikes are NOT hard to back hop, especially if it has such a short back end and high bb as the Echo Because simple 24". I am a big fan of high front ends, they are more comfy when actually riding, they usually make the rider more stylish (as they can just lift the front up rather than have to use pedal strokes and they are not riding around with their back flat to the floor) and they generally feel a lot nicer. Everything is so confusing. I'm mainly a TGS rider but do sometimes mix a little bit of street and comp into my riding too, still a good move? Im just wary about doing it because i dont want to buy a £50 stem then find it makes my riding worse. Thanks for your help. EDIT: want to order from trial-bikes.com but i need to register and i asks for your country and i cant find england.. United Kingdom or anything, help? Also can i pay for things normally on there considering its a different currency? EDIT2: The address and stuff it asks it for it the american way which is confusing me a bit. Street Address: 41chestnut road Suburb: ????? Post Code: (know this one) City: (know this one) Country: Cant find... State/Province: ???? Edited March 7, 2012 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 the UK will be called something else in other languages, find out what language the site is and search what they call our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted March 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Its a spannish site, i googled it and found the spannish call the english/ england: Inglaterra. but that isn't there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Reino Unido I'm assuming it's something that Tarty don't have in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted March 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Reino Unido I'm assuming it's something that Tarty don't have in? Thanks. I probs will go for tarty after all this, their postage options are collect from store or 21euros - f**k that shit. Edited March 7, 2012 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Thanks. I probs will go for tarty after all this, their postage options are collect from store or 21euros - f**k that shit. If you're looking at the TryAll 3D stem at 40 euros then it doesn't come with a top cap which is an additional 7 euros. By the time it's posted over here it'll most likely be the same cost as from Tarty..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted March 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) If you're looking at the TryAll 3D stem at 40 euros then it doesn't come with a top cap which is an additional 7 euros. By the time it's posted over here it'll most likely be the same cost as from Tarty..... I already have a sloping topcap and yeah i was thinking of the 3D. Edited March 7, 2012 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I already have a sloping topcap and yeah i was thinking of the 3D. Spot on then, personally I'd give it a go, i've found it to be perfect for me and a lot of other people seem to like the way it rides with that stem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 If you need a stem without a top cap, just give us a call. Stem: low = bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted March 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Spot on then, personally I'd give it a go, i've found it to be perfect for me and a lot of other people seem to like the way it rides with that stem. I dont think i'll get that stem anymore, im not paying 21euros postage. If you need a stem without a top cap, just give us a call. Stem: low = bad you mean the try-all 3d? or any stem? Could you do a price match when you have them back in stock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Have a go at price matching that spainish site at tartys? Could save you a couple of quid if it qualifies? read for yourself http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/pages/price_match.html Or drop them a mail. EDIT: just read top line on my link... doubt it qualifies - forget I said anything. Edited March 7, 2012 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) i ride an ashton edd tongue 24 street trials bike, i use a system ex 90mm x 35 degree rise and trial tech risers. bunnyhops well high, and manuals all day long. this i think is the right geo stem for one of these bikes, but thats my own opinon, having tried a few different types. look on my profile pic, youll see what stem and bars i mean Edited March 7, 2012 by danchandler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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