CalopS Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I'm running 13/18 on the older frame (2010?) at the moment and haven't really found any of the tensioners to be any good and I'm kinda of wimping out on going down the file dropout route. I've thought about trying out a spoke tensioner but a lot of the people that used them before don't seem to anymore so I was wondering what the disadvantages of it are? I seem to remember people saying it couldn't be used on small sprockets such as mine? Whats the best way to attach one? I don't really want to go ahead and file my dropouts but if I do decide to has anyone got a picture of theres for me to follow? or any tips? Thanks p.s. How long till a brakeless horizontal dropout Inspired frame comes out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I use 18:13 on my original fourplay With a Z610 HX chain and this Tensioner modded to push upwards. Pics of it here. With smaller sprockets, it is usually better to have a double wheel tensioner or one that pushes upwards (like mine) so you more chain rap making the chain less likely to skip. You can make a spoke tensioner push upwards by wrapping around the axle of the hub (or whatever else you plan to wrap it around) the opposite way so that the spring affect of the coil you made pushes towards the frame instead of away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) modded to push upwards. Pics of it here. Do you not find The chain rubs on the chain stay/protector when its pushed up? Ive used a rubber wheel tensioner before with zip ties. It stopped it skipping but the tension wasn't very good and it rubbed on the chain stay. The zip ties always stretched and I want to get away from using them. Going in and out of the car when the rear wheel needs to come out to fit us all in is a hassle I don't want anymore. Edited January 22, 2012 by CalopS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Griffin Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Would a 74kingz not be an option ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Would a 74kingz not be an option ? I cant find any for sale from shops and they look pretty ugly. Kind of the same tensioning as a spoke tensioner by the looks of it so I would rather go with that if I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Griffin Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 They've been discontinued for a while now, I think. They're not the most aesthetically pleasing tensioners, but they do the job brilliantly and theirs often a few in the for sale section The spoke tensioners aren't hard to make at all, it's just trial and error really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I don't mind going with something that doesn't look good as long as it works 100%. I'm just waiting to get my hands on some spokes to give it a go. I just wondered if it was worth the effort seen as I can't think of anyone that uses one anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Do you not find The chain rubs on the chain stay/protector when its pushed up? Ive used a rubber wheel tensioner before with zip ties. It stopped it skipping but the tension wasn't very good and it rubbed on the chain stay. The zip ties always stretched and I want to get away from using them. Going in and out of the car when the rear wheel needs to come out to fit us all in is a hassle I don't want anymore. No it doesn't, there is a good 10-15mm gap. Basically what I did was take out the original spring from the tensioner and made another spring out of a spoke but coiled it the other way around to make it push up. I had a zip tie there aswell at the time as I had just made it and thought that I should have something to catch it if my spring failed so I didn't crash and coud still ride temporarily. It works fantasticly. I could get a close up picture if you would like. It is a piece of cake to take the wheel off with it as it just springs up against the chainstay, it isn't wrapped around the axle like a spoke tensioner which makes it abit tricky sometimes and the bits needed are still available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I could get a close up picture if you would like. Yes please if its not too much hassle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Mallinson Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I use 18:13 on my original fourplay With a Z610 HX chain and this Tensioner modded to push upwards. Pics of it here. Mine is a lot like this but I am running 16-14 what I did though was get a piece of fencing rap instead of using the spring tension and attached it to the tensioner and the chainstay it works really well so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) I used 18:14 on my older Inspired. Used this tensioner. You'll have to remove the hanger retaining pin to make sure it doesn't skip at all. Inspired + Rohloff Edited January 23, 2012 by AndrewEH1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I used 18:14 on my older Inspired. Used this tensioner. You'll have to remove the hanger retaining pin to make sure it doesn't skip at all. Inspired + Rohloff Yep, running 18:13 on a MK1 with a Rohloff. Couldn't remove the retaining pin for some reason so just filed the mech hanger to remove the stub and it wraps up nicely to the chainstay with no problems.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 i had an old sawblade bended to the right shape and ziptied to the chainstay in my old setup.with a piece of teflon at the end and heatshrink tube at the metal part.worked over a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Maybe so, but you'd never recommend that for a 13t sprocket, you really need a double wheeled tensioner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) right,didnt take that into account.then rohloff works best,with other spacing at the jockey wheels. Edited January 23, 2012 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I'm just waiting to get my hands on some spokes to give it a go. I just wondered if it was worth the effort seen as I can't think of anyone that uses one anymore. I swear by spoke tensioners, there's just so many advantages to them! No mech hangers to breakDoesn't cost anything if you've got some old spokes lying aboutWeighs f**k allGives great tension if you coil it around a bolt/axle properlyIf you land on it, you can bend it back in to place so easily Don't use one though if your not getting enough chain wrap around your sprocket, your chain will skip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Here are two closer pics of what I have done. It won't let me attach them properly so here is a link to them. http://s889.photobucket.com/albums/ac93/mikeeg_999/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Close up's from my 24".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Here are two closer pics of what I have done. It won't let me attach them properly so here is a link to them. Close up's from my 24".. Thanks for the help guys I'm going to give the spoke tensioner a go first seen as its free to try and If that doesnt work Ill give Mikes idea a go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onza pro series guy Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I'd reommend a rohloff any day, never let me down and taken a few knocks on my Inspired never removed the retaining pin at all, and it tucks up nicely by the chainstay, which i still don't get myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I'd reommend a rohloff any day, never let me down and taken a few knocks on my Inspired never removed the retaining pin at all, and it tucks up nicely by the chainstay, which i still don't get myself I could but then I'd of probably spent over £100 on trying to tension my chain which just makes me vomit! Inspired should have just done the smart thing and had horizontal dropouts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I ran 18:13 on my Mk.1 Fourplay with a relatively low-spring spoke tensioner and it was fine If you run something like a Z610HX or Z510HX it shouldn't really stretch much either so you won't have to worry about having to increase tension at a later date. 23:17 also works like a charm, just so you know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Ive just given it a go! Attached at the second mini hole up with a nipple then wrapped around the axle and onto the chain. Its too wet and dark outside but I tried to make it pop off in the garage and I couldn't. A bit too easy I'll report back tomorrow If it survives! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Success! Its so good I'm pretty annoyed that I didn't try it before but at least its sorted now Thanks for the help everyone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardenas_26trials Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 photos, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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