TokyoTrials Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Hi everyone. I have a problem with a Shimano Saint M810-2 Crankset I recently got for my custom Inspired Hex. The shell size on all Inspired frames is 68mm, so I bought the Shimano Saint cranks for this size, however, the 22tooth ring hits the chainstay unless I put four 2mm spacers on the drive side(see pics below), but then that makes the spindle look too short to put the left crank arm on properly (crank only sits 2/3 on) plus it makes the whole crank setup a bit lopsided if that make any noticeable difference in feel? It seems that inspired frames have much wider than normal chainstays. I've been in touch with another guy on here who recently built up an Inspired Skye with custom paint with the same cranks. He said he only had to use 3 spacers on the drive side with no problems whatsoever, so you can now guess I'm a bit confused, so I just want to ask if anyone else has had a similar problem and whether or not the left crank arm is will be safe even though it's not on fully? Am I being paranoid? Cheers Edited January 23, 2012 by TokyoTrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 get a file on the chain stay if you're that worried! I did with mine to get it closer! It's only a little bit of metal! And if you're worried about the warranty then don't be! Mine still going strong nearly 18 months later ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Borneo Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Could you still send it back and get the wider bb version? Then you could space out the drive side as much as you need and space out the other side to take up any slack. Don't know what the chain stay is like (can't see the pics) but wouldn't be in a hurry to start filing it away if it was mine. Edited January 21, 2012 by Chris Borneo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 the recomended fitment is 2 spacers drive side and one on the non drive side. i guess with the long bb threads they come with you could use 3 on the drive and none on the non drive. and to get the 22t away a little thurther use one of the race face chainline adjusting spacers. atlas crank instructions really i would have got the race face atlas cranks they would work much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoTrials Posted January 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Could you still send it back and get the wider bb version? Then you could space out the drive side as much as you need and space out the other side to take up any slack. Don't know what the chain stay is like (can't see the pics) but wouldn't be in a hurry to start filing it away if it was mine. I thought about switching it to the 83mm version too, so I tried taking back today, but the guy in the shop said they can't accept it as I have already fitted in on to my bike, but then I tried to explain to them that it is impossible to know this problem without putting on my bike! His response was, "This is Inspired's fault not Shimano's. Sorry we cannot help you." Great customer service eh? I'm going to try and contact Shimano direct and see what they have to say. Thank you for your time and advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 His response was, "This is Inspired's fault not Shimano's. Sorry we cannot help you." Great customer service eh? He was right though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) I've just fitted Saint cranks to my 2011 Fourplay at the weekend. As Chris has said I needed to put three of the spacers on the drive side and none on the left side. I don't know if there is much difference in the Fourplay and Hex frames around the BB/Chain-stay area, but by looking at photos there does seem be. Obviously the Inspired builds come with Truvativ cranks/BB with 22t so they must have got around this issue. He was right though... Another helpful post, why post if you don't have a potential solution? Edited January 23, 2012 by AndrewEH1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) how bad is the spacing with the 3 spacers (that come with the cranks) all on the drive side? I cant see the photos.... as for any worries regardling 'lobsided-ness' - i promise you really wont notice failing that, i sure there wont be any issue selling unriden new cranks for close to full price...the 10/20pound loss can just be an unlucky downside to wanting to keep the frame warranty Edited January 23, 2012 by chris4stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) how bad is the spacing with the 3 spacers (that come with the cranks) all on the drive side? I cant see the photos.... as for any worries regardling 'lobsided-ness' - i promise you really wont notice I can't see the photos either (use a better photo host dammit!). But from his description he is using four 2mm spacers, one too many than I think it was designed for? Edited January 23, 2012 by AndrewEH1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I've just fitted Saint cranks to my 2011 Fourplay at the weekend. As Chris has said I needed to put three of the spacers on the drive side and none on the left side. I don't know if there is much difference in the Fourplay and Hex frames around the BB/Chain-stay area, but by looking at photos there does seem be. Obviously the Inspired builds come with Truvativ cranks/BB with 22t so they must have got around this issue. Another helpful post, why post if you don't have a potential solution? Three people already gave him useful advice,he bought the wrong set of cranks and that´s only his fault,not sellers.He was acting like it wasn´t his fault at all.That´s all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Three people already gave him useful advice,he bought the wrong set of cranks and that´s only his fault,not sellers.He was acting like it wasn´t his fault at all.That´s all. IF there bb shell is 68-73mm as with all other inspireds, AND there is no information regarding the lack of compatibility with standard saint cranks and the inspired hex then you really cant say its his fault....if id spent £200 on a crankset i cant use, id get a little pissed off at needless gloating comments he had to fit them to check for clearance as it sounds like its a very close fit (but the wrong side of close) thats a point andrew...using 4 spacers may invalidate the saints warranty too...so you may be damned either way sticking with those cranks Edited January 23, 2012 by chris4stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoTrials Posted January 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Pics added gents. As you can see it's a bloody tight fit even with 4 spacers on. Thanks for all your advice Three people already gave him useful advice,he bought the wrong set of cranks and that´s only his fault,not sellers.He was acting like it wasn´t his fault at all.That´s all. There's no one way I could have known they wouldn't fit dude, so it isn't my fault. I bought the 68mm shell version for a 68mm frame. No hard feelings IF there bb shell is 68-73mm as with all other inspireds, AND there is no information regarding the lack of compatibility with standard saint cranks and the inspired hex then you really cant say its his fault....if id spent £200 on a crankset i cant use, id get a little pissed off at needless gloating comments he had to fit them to check for clearance as it sounds like its a very close fit (but the wrong side of close) thats a point andrew...using 4 spacers may invalidate the saints warranty too...so you may be damned either way sticking with those cranks Thanks for stating the facts Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Speak to Ali C, he's got Saints on his Hex so there should be a suitable solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoTrials Posted January 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Speak to Ali C, he's got Saints on his Hex so there should be a suitable solution. Will do. Thanks. Probably some filling involved. Edited January 23, 2012 by TokyoTrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Yay! photos, thanks for doing that! If you took the spacer off the non-drive side and left four on the drive side would that solve the issue of the non-drive crank not being fully on. When you put the crank bolt on it will squeeze the cranks together so more of the non-drive crank fits on the spindle. If that makes sense. When I put it together I found that you had to be a little tough when fitting the non-drive crank to ensure that the bolt that holds it in actually makes contact with the spindle. That post probably makes no sense...best speak to Ali C Also I don't know what the general opinion on getting frames faced but it might be worth getting your headtube and bottom bracket faced. Edited January 23, 2012 by AndrewEH1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 IF there bb shell is 68-73mm as with all other inspireds, AND there is no information regarding the lack of compatibility with standard saint cranks and the inspired hex then you really cant say its his fault....if id spent £200 on a crankset i cant use, id get a little pissed off at needless gloating comments he had to fit them to check for clearance as it sounds like its a very close fit (but the wrong side of close) thats a point andrew...using 4 spacers may invalidate the saints warranty too...so you may be damned either way sticking with those cranks You know where this is going right? Back to the topic,from those pics I would say it looks ok with that 2mm spacer,it´s not ideal,but it should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 If I were you I'd look at running a 20T ring if possible and removing one of those spacers, just for peace of mind. Failing that is there enough meat to have the chainring bosses milled down a couple of mm to move the ring further from the frame? P.S. If you get the BB faced don't be surprised when the chainring fouls when it didn't before!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) If I were you I'd look at running a 20T ring if possible..... from the Us and pricey but still... or Or staying in Europe seems to be a question asked in singletrack forums often though the idea of milling the mounts just a little makes more sense to me...theres plenty of thread and if you got somewhere half decent to do it...problem solved Edited January 23, 2012 by chris4stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 from the Us and pricey but still... or Or staying in Europe seems to be a question asked in singletrack forums often though the idea of milling the mounts just a little makes more sense to me...theres plenty of thread and if you got somewhere half decent to do it...problem solved I don't have the Saint specs in front of me but would a 20t fit on the cranks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 From what I can see, the Saint chainrings have a PCD of 104mm, so if you can find a 4 bolt 20t chainring with that spec then it'll work. Just measure the PCD (Pitch Circle Diameter - the measurement from the centre of one bolt hole to the centre of the one diagonally opposite) you've got already to make sure I'm not talking bollocks - it could well be 74mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) From what I can see, the Saint chainrings have a PCD of 104mm, so if you can find a 4 bolt 20t chainring with that spec then it'll work. Just measure the PCD (Pitch Circle Diameter - the measurement from the centre of one bolt hole to the centre of the one diagonally opposite) you've got already to make sure I'm not talking bollocks - it could well be 74mm. The outer ring is 104mm, but the inner ring is 64mm. I believe the 64mm is the distance from the centre of one bolt hole to the centre of the diagonally opposite one? I'll measure one up when I get home... Edit: Just checked an it is indeed 64mm between two diagonally opposite bolt holes. Edited January 23, 2012 by AndrewEH1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Borneo Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Are the cranks marked from being fitted? If it not, i'd take em back to the bike shop and tell em to sort their shit out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 2 spacers drive side bb, one non-drive side, random washer on axle on the drive side to clear the stays, jobs sorted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 so your saying just slide on a 4-5mm axle spacer on the drive side sounds well safe. but if i had just spent £200 i would give it a try, maybe worth putting up a swop for a longer axle saint on pb or southern downhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.KYDD Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 From what I can see, the Saint chainrings have a PCD of 104mm, so if you can find a 4 bolt 20t chainring with that spec then it'll work. Just measure the PCD (Pitch Circle Diameter - the measurement from the centre of one bolt hole to the centre of the one diagonally opposite) you've got already to make sure I'm not talking bollocks - it could well be 74mm. 74mm PCD is the usual for the inner ring on a 5 arm chainset - normally 110/74mm PCD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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