JD™ Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 No, these two were never going to fly, they're too heavy handed and way too time-consuming to police, and would bankrupt too many companies if they became resposible for their users uploads. That said, it shows the trend of things to come. SOPA is just a rehash of a bill that failed last year, that was a rehash of a bill that failed the year before. It'll keep returning until it gets passed! Wikipedia and Google doing it for publicity? Really? They're probably the two biggest known names to have come from the internet. Facebook is well against it anyway? Looksie. I'm out of this, because I've made my point. But I didn't mention Google, and Wikipedia rely on donations - watch out for the extra big drive on that next week or the one after. And status update != shutting down the site for the day, it's also nothing like even putting a banner on the home page, or every page. Mark clearly did that just because he kind of has to - he can't say nothing because he's too big a name on the internet, and he can't say "You're all a bunch of retards for giving this shit the time of day" because of the potential backlash. And no, it won't. If you truly believe that the internet will be policed by something along the lines of SOPA and PIPA then I seriously overestimated your intelligence - there are gaping big holes in any theory like these: Humans will just make something else that runs essentially in the same way as the internet, but on protocols which bypass whatever law effects the Internet Protocol. As I said, made my point. I'll come back in 10 years and quote these, with 3 letters that have thankfully stopped being used here much: QFT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well publically, they're supporting it and upping the fuss about it. Whatever their reasons, that's how they're behaving. I don't think that the internet will ever be actively policed, because no-one has the resources to do that, but I think that the laws will change and become harsher, and we'll get to a stage where websites simply dissapear overnight because some American in a suit desires it. I don't truely believe anything to be honest, because I'm not a moron. The future isn't here yet, but I do believe at some point, in some form there will be a higher level of censorship on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 The way I look at it, there would be no real cultural, or technological loss if digital information was made free, only monetary loss. Think about the things people regularly download, and then think about whether they'd stop being produced if digital copies became free legally. Take Photoshop as an example of something moving away from the arts a little. If it suddenly became free, then would they stop making new versions? No, the photographic and design industries would still need the software, or an equivalent. The development money would still come, but it would be direct from the people in need of it, not through a third party selling it from the producers to the end users. With music, if the recordings became free, the musicians wouldn't just stop doing it. OK, some of them would, but generally not the ones who I care about. People would still want music, so it would still be developed, it would still be produced, and it would still evolve, people would still pay to get into concerts, royalties would still need paying if the music was used in a film, people would still buy merchandise ect.. There's a lot more to music than selling copies of audio recordings. With film, if the films became free, people would still pay to go to the cinema, people would still pay for merchandise ect... It would dramatically shift the income for some industries, but not necessarily to the determent of culture or technical advancement. In most artistic cases I would have said it would actually give the genuine artists a better chance of being recognised due to the lack of competition from people who are just in it for the money. Look at fine art, you can go on Google image search and find a digital copy of the Mona Lisa instantly, which you can print out and look at, or just look at on the screen all you want, does it make the Mona Lisa worthless? Nope. Does it stop artists bothering to paint? Definitely not. Many of the most famous artists never made a living from it, but they never stopped doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Will I still get free porn? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebelistic Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Interesting discussion ) I'd be interested to read that thread about evolution and selfishness if you know what it was called or where it is? I'm all for free information and free internet. It's a very complicated issue. I hope they don't get more control. I try to support smaller artists while I'm happy to copy from the bigger ones as they don't need any of my money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Interesting discussion ) I'd be interested to read that thread about evolution and selfishness if you know what it was called or where it is? Just search Ben Rowlands posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsIsHard Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Will I still get free porn? As long as there isn't any background music, that sh*t could be pirated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I think there is a hidden agenda of having more power/control. The internet is a powerful tool and I think they want more control of it like they do with television. Alternate news on the internet for example I heard was more popular then maintstream media now, especially in the US as not many believe them anymore. I think this piracy lark is just the beginning of a much bigger censorship of the internet. They want more control and I don't know how they are getting away with it. They have been doing it for the past 10 years now. Has anyone heard of the NDAA that was passed on new year? It is outrageous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Piracy has always been illegal...never stopped anyone, did it? YouTube is already well censored in my opinion, Facebook would be a blessing if it were to f**k off - it's just a swamp for the Internet, twitter - couldn't give a shit. As for the 'small guys' such as piratebay they could just setup another domain? Theyre only shutting domains, not servers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurMonkey Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 As for the 'small guys' such as piratebay they could just setup another domain? Theyre only shutting domains, not servers!! I wonder how much pirate bay would be seen as intellectual material, and therefore protected in some way? Possibility of a hilarious backfire. Anyone know anything about ACTA? Read something about it somewhere, European equivalent to that other shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVL0CaClZaQ&feature=share Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) I've never heard a man talk so much shit. Some of the facts in there are scary, but the stuff he reads into them is rather ammusing. For a start, no-one has the resources to bring any of these people to court. No-one can afford to pay those kinds of charges, and they can't really track you anyway! From an IP address? Really? "Oh I'm sorry, I have to have my wireless unsecured because otherwise my xbox lags, want to play COD with me?". Fair enough if someone actually signed up to a Megaupload account and paid for it, and handed over their details, then they could in theory get bollocked for it. Edited January 24, 2012 by Muel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I've never heard a man talk so much shit. Some of the facts in there are scary, but the stuff he reads into them is rather ammusing. For a start, no-one has the resources to bring any of these people to court. No-one can afford to pay those kinds of charges, and they can't really track you anyway! From an IP address? Really? "Oh I'm sorry, I have to have my wireless unsecured because otherwise my xbox lags, want to play COD with me?". Fair enough if someone actually signed up to a Megaupload account and paid for it, and handed over their details, then they could in theory get bollocked for it. I agree. I don't think it will go any further than the people who own and make alot of money off of the sites. But then I don't think they should serve jail time. I think they should be made to police what is being uploaded more, remove as much pirated stuff as they can and ban IPs of repeat offenders. Surely there is a way they could do that. Like youtube do with removing videos and music from videos that violate copyright. I still think it is probably more about control and censorship then piracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well this came as a bit of a shock to me. Today the UK signed ACTA. As has already started in the UK, ISPs will now be required to monitor activity for copyright naughtiness. SICK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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anzo Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 As has already started in the UK, ISPs will now be required to monitor activity for copyright naughtiness. SICK. We have provisionally signed this, it will not come into action until it has been passed by EU. Secondly, this is an agreement we have signed which will pose as the building blocks for regulation. Personally, I'm sick to death of this 'XXXX is a threat to the internet and all your personal rights!' Do people not realise that priacy is already a crime, websites already get shutdown for hosting copyright material? It just reopens as something else and then resumes in that cycle until someone is arrested and then someone else takes over. As you have said, the only threat, in reality, is ISP monitoring; although I think it will take a lot for ISPs to do this due to the investment and resources involed - at then end of the day ISPs provide a service, it is down to the user how they chose to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Big bump, but I just stumbled across this and thought I'd pop it in here. Y'know, just in case. So if these ass-f**ks in DC decide to ruin the internet, here’s how to access your favorite sites in the event of a DNS takedown tumblr.com 174.121.194.34 wikipedia.org 208.80.152.201 # News bbc.co.uk 212.58.241.131 aljazeera.com 198.78.201.252 # Social media reddit.com 72.247.244.88 imgur.com 173.231.140.219 google.com 74.125.157.99 youtube.com 74.125.65.91 yahoo.com 98.137.149.56 hotmail.com 65.55.72.135 bing.com 65.55.175.254 digg.com 64.191.203.30 theonion.com 97.107.137.164 hush.com 65.39.178.43 gamespot.com 216.239.113.172 ign.com 69.10.25.46 cracked.com 98.124.248.77 sidereel.com 144.198.29.112 github.com 207.97.227.239 # Torrent sites thepiratebay.org 194.71.107.15 mininova.com 80.94.76.5 btjunkie.com 93.158.65.211 demonoid.com 62.149.24.66 demonoid.me 62.149.24.67 # Social networking facebook.com 69.171.224.11 twitter.com 199.59.149.230 tumblr.com 174.121.194.34 livejournal.com 209.200.154.225 dreamwidth.org 69.174.244.50 # Live Streaming Content stickam.com 67.201.54.151 blogtv.com 84.22.170.149 justin.tv 199.9.249.21 chatroulette.com 184.173.141.231 omegle.com 97.107.132.144 own3d.tv 208.94.146.80 megavideo.com 174.140.154.32 # Television gorillavid.com 178.17.165.74 videoweed.com 91.220.176.248 novamov.com 91.220.176.248 tvlinks.com 208.223.219.206 1channel.com 208.87.33.151 # Shopping amazon.com 72.21.211.176 newegg.com 216.52.208.187 frys.com 209.31.22.39 # File Sharing mediafire.com 205.196.120.13 megaupload.com 174.140.154.20 fileshare.com 208.87.33.151 multiupload.com 95.211.149.7 uploading.com 195.191.207.40 warez-bb.org 31.7.57.13 hotfile.com 199.7.177.218 gamespy.com 69.10.25.46 what.cd 67.21.232.223 warez.ag 178.162.238.136 putlocker.com 89.238.130.247 uploaded.to 95.211.143.200 dropbox.com 199.47.217.179 pastebin.com 69.65.13.216 Here’s a tip for the do-it-yourself crowd: Go to your computer’s Start menu, and either go to “run” or just search for “cmd.” Open it up, and type in “ping [website address],” Once you have the IP for a website, all you really need to do is enter it like you would a normal URL and hit enter/press go. Typing in “208.85.240.231” should bring you to the front page of AO3, for example, just as typing “174.121.194.34/dashboard” should bring you straight to your Tumblr dashboard. Since we’re obviously bracing for the worst case scenario which would involve you not being able to access the internet regularly, you should, save this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashbanggg Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topsy Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Personally, I'm sick to death of this 'XXXX is a threat to the internet and all your personal rights!' Do people not realise that priacy is already a crime, websites already get shutdown for hosting copyright material? It just reopens as something else and then resumes in that cycle until someone is arrested and then someone else takes over. Then tell me, why do we need a new bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Big bump, but I just stumbled across this and thought I'd pop it in here. Y'know, just in case. I'm gonna go all wizard of oz and say there's no place like 127.0.0.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Every animal defends its home to the death. Apparently even nerds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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