davidbarr Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) . Edited January 17, 2012 by davidbarr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 For me iv'e always liked the really technical side to trials so to me watching stuff like Dave kerr do them skinny bollard gaps in his vid is a lot more impressive than danny mac spinning of a high set of stairs, I'd say riding down a cable was pretty tech 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 agree with you ali, i was thinking of mostly comps in the uk though, where there is barley any artificial obscatles apart from barrow farm, and alot of the riding is very tech and lots of rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maladie Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Maladie: You asked me to explain how a 24" bike for street riding isn't a big bmx? Well lets look at what makes it the same as a BMX for starters....... 1)they have seats 2)....... Cool, so yeah, I can think of ONE thing that makes them similar to a BMX. I guess the bikes people used to ride in the world championships with seats were big BMXs too? I've seen people do flips and 360s on seatless bikes, does that make that bike a BMX? Honestly, just think about what you are saying! The whole idea of a streetier bike is that it opens windows, you CAN do some BMX moves if you want, you CAN do trials if you want. Why ignore so much of what they are about just because you've seen riders so spins and stuff? A lot of the riders who ride these so called "big BMXs" are very good trials riders who could show a lot of TGS and comp riders a thing or two. So yeah, before you type next, think about what I have said, I am not trying to bring any negativity here, I only respond to others negativity if I feel it was un-called for. Everything you've written here I believe is true, and you've made some fair points. I don't disagree with you, and i wasn't ever trying to create an argument between us. My opinion still remains that the inspired bikes do 'look' like big BMX's. But i have never ridden one, and so it probably was unfair of me to make the generalisation that i did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i like cunning stunts Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I'd say riding down a cable was pretty tech I know Danny can do tech aswel am talking more backwheel stuff (which I know he can do also before you post another link)and tech natty lines. Its much more enjoyable / easier / looks better on a modern geo comp setup IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 where there is barley any artificial obscatles apart from barrow farm - and where there are other venues which have artificial obstacles and sections organisers don't go there so observers don't get cold... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 i dont get what you mean mark.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 He means Lee Mill Quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 really want to ride there ive never heard of observers refusing observe because of the weather, then again observers are doing it 100% for free and some give up alot of time and effort to arrange these comps and are taking up there ownn time and spending there own money to go there, i can understand why some of them would not want to observe in the tipping down rain for f**k all, what the biketrial federation do for bike comps in britain is brilliant i think on a budget of a shoe string, people are far to quick to judge and make comments about stuff like that and i think its out of order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 ive never heard of observers refusing observe because of the weather The final round of 2011 is booked for Lee Mill Quarry on the 6th November, but after an outcry from the observers who are fed up of getting cold and wet on the top of that venue, we're reviewing the situation and looking at somewhere perhaps less exposed for November! Keep checking the Events page for an update. http://biketrialuk.co.uk/News2011.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Makes a good read apart from the pointless bits in the middle, as for who's best- I know Danny does amazing stuff but I personally think that loads of his stuff take loads of goes, so in my book that don't make him as good as some one like kenny who has amazing bike control and makes ever thing first time. Maybe he's not as good at big gaps taps etc as Gilles, vince etc but in my eyes the rider with the most ALL ROUND bag of skills, just look at him on his Mtb! Cuts out any arguments about what type of risings best Also Gilles didn't make the kickers, that was then! He's put alot of effort into them and now is as insane! Did any one see the world cup of Antwerp ? As for bike for Mathew I think his bike now is good for street and good for trials, was one of the top frames a few years back and some amazing stuff has be done on them! But after spending a day riding savages karbra 24 brake less for a day, I was doing 360s bunny hops and try loads of fun tricks! Basically out of boredom but it was really good fun, then I was doing some pretty decent more tgs moves and was just as awsome So I think it's a no brainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Makes a good read apart from the pointless bits in the middle, as for who's best- I know Danny does amazing stuff but I personally think that loads of his stuff take loads of goes, so in my book that don't make him as good as some one like kenny who has amazing bike control and makes ever thing first time. Maybe he's not as good at big gaps taps etc as Gilles, vince etc but in my eyes the rider with the most ALL ROUND bag of skills, just look at him on his Mtb! I'm pretty sure to stay at the top like Kenny does he has to push himself in his training so I don't belive for one second he "makes everything first time". If Danny brought out a video of stuff he could make first time it wouldn't be as spectacular as one where he had to put the effort in to trying it over and over again till it was made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Comp riders have the relative luxury that sections are generally made so that theoretically the top level rider in that particular category can get through them though, whereas if you're having to come up with new lines and moves like Danny I guess you don't have that as such... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Im not against any type of trials riding. Whilst comp riding is VERY skillfull its not my cup of tea. Street is more my thing but i am also well aware that this sport came from comp riding it doesnt mean anything else is "wrong". Look at BMX It started as racing and now we have all different styles of bmx and nobody complains about that. Sorry to the author of this thread for fuelling the flames and turning this into another "that aint trials" arguement. no worries it's cool, I am even more confused now. Edit: My BMX has a +50bb Edited January 18, 2012 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Could just stick with your Planet-X? New isn't always better.. By the way Matt, is it a Jack Flash or a Zebdi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 It's a Zebdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I'm pretty sure to stay at the top like Kenny does he has to push himself in his training so I don't belive for one second he "makes everything first time". Yes I should have worded that differently, I wad talking in general, not in training. Training is where you push the limits of ability. I'm not saying Danny mac is boring but yea I think it's hard for him to be original. He's got some good imagination to do the lines he does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 It's a Zebdi. Black with 'rasta' colours on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 yeah, I think its yer old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I bought that brand new off of Ebay but never got to ride it because my back wheel was too wide for the vee-mounts, so I sold it to McCabe. Good to see its got a new home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 no worries it's cool, I am even more confused now. Edit: My BMX has a +50bb It also has smaller wheels, so some of the rise will be towards compensating for that. It's like how people say that a 24" with 25mm of rise is the equivalent of a stock with none. There's considerably more to it than that (short as hell stays, reach etc), but it's a relatively good ballpark for starting a comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Edit: My BMX has a +50bb As Luke mentioned the wheelsize skews things a little, but equally BMXs are generally designed to basically be a little unstable, to make them more manoeuvrable for tricks, spins, and so on. Sort of the same way the Eurofighter is designed to be unstable so it'll be more responsive and agile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) It also has smaller wheels, so some of the rise will be towards compensating for that. It's like how people say that a 24" with 25mm of rise is the equivalent of a stock with none. There's considerably more to it than that (short as hell stays, reach etc), but it's a relatively good ballpark for starting a comparison. In what way? Is it not the bb height relative to the wheel axles that makes a difference for all this shiz? Appart obviously from ground clearance, which would be a 2 wheel issue anyway? Edit: wrote this before I saw your post Mark Edited January 18, 2012 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Depends if you want your feet to clear the floor or not when you pedal I suppose. Like I said, there's loads more to it than just being the wheelsize, but it's one of the factors thrown in there. Other stuff comes hugely into play to ensure a person can fit relatively comfortably on there and that it performs as it's meant to, and given that most bikes have a relatively similar bar height they need a similar(ish) BB level etc in there to even things out a bit more so you're in the right body position etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Ah yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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