Scott Gibbs Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Right Boys (and girls) i have FINALLY got enough funds for a 24" and i'd like a bit of advice on set up just general tips and words of wisdom really. From your own trials and tribulations with these sort of bikes. Anything constructive would be fantastic. Thanks guys. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 *high front ends are good *short stems are good *back swept bars are good *brakeless is good, otherwise Dual disc is also good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Cheers Ali. Trialtech high risers or Inspired risers are on my list and have a nice short stem sat in my toolbox already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Mallinson Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 *high front ends are good *short stems are good *back swept bars are good *brakeless is god, otherwise Dual disc is also good *creative lines are good *watch loads of bmx videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24martin Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 im not sure what your personal preference is, but if you want to do any fast, flowy line's with manual's and 360's etc.. then i would suggest running a rear freehub as the FFW setup on my 24 felt awful at any speed above 1 mph! after spending all last year to find the setup i (personally) like on a 24, i've ended up with *rear freehub (pro 2 evo ) * maxxis holy roller's (win) these tyre's work well with everything you can throw at them, low pressure, high pressure, street, natty, skatepark's, dirt, everything else. *loads of stem stackers *trialtech high rise bars *front disc (obviously) *rear hs33 on hs yellows... my rear brake is a bit overkill i know, but it only get's used for tgs move's as i never use it riding street, strangely i have always done manuals and stuff brakeless, but still i like to have a powerfull rear brake on the bike if i need it, just incase we go and ride a bit of natty or whatever, it's there if i need it! (i can't afford a seperate tgs rig so i've attempted to build a bike that can ride everything street, tgs and even a few dirt jumps) care to elaborate as to what frame/build your thinking about getting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Yeah would of been better to say what i was planning to do. *Ashton effect frame *Onza zoot fork *Dual v brake *FFW 18-13 gearing. (down to budget not choice) something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Also has anybody used Spank Tweet tweet rims with rim brakes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Yeah would of been better to say what i was planning to do. *Ashton effect frame *Onza zoot fork *Dual v brake *FFW 18-13 gearing. (down to budget not choice) something along those lines. Also has anybody used Spank Tweet tweet rims with rim brakes? Not used the Tweets, but ran a vee on some Stiffys for a week and they didn't even get a chance to bed in. No issues other than that though - if you wanted to speed up the process a file and/or various grades of sandpaper would do the trick. Also; Why the Zoot fork? If you're replacing the Ashtons to run dual vee either hunt down the older 24/26 mount Ashtons, or get some Pashleys/similar on there 18:13 will be pretty sweet and FFW isn't the end of the world, you can always mix that up a bit when funds allow at a later point. Good luck with it, be sure to get some pictures up when you get it done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsIsHard Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 * maxxis holy roller's (win) these tyre's work well with everything you can throw at them, low pressure, high pressure, street, natty, skatepark's, dirt, everything else. The skinny holy roller on the front is horrendous, (I know that I'm still running mine) but get the thick one for sure! *long steerer + loads of stackers = good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Not used the Tweets, but ran a vee on some Stiffys for a week and they didn't even get a chance to bed in. No issues other than that though - if you wanted to speed up the process a file and/or various grades of sandpaper would do the trick. Also; Why the Zoot fork? If you're replacing the Ashtons to run dual vee either hunt down the older 24/26 mount Ashtons, or get some Pashleys/similar on there 18:13 will be pretty sweet and FFW isn't the end of the world, you can always mix that up a bit when funds allow at a later point. Good luck with it, be sure to get some pictures up when you get it done! Ah i wondered when you would appear with some sage wisdom! I was thinking the Zoot fork as i prefer a curved blade fork and its the only one avaliable with v mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Take the Pashley over the Zoot. Perhaps a tad harder to get hold of but they're made almost entirely of win. The only issue with the look is that the Effect is a chunky, fat-tubed alu frame so any skinny-legged steel fork is going to look a tad odd on there (which will be worse again with the Zoots...) If you need some vees give me a shout - got my Ultimate/XTR setup (F&R) sitting around longing for a new home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 I'll have a look for some Pash forks then. I've been toying with a Element frame instead as it looks nicer!!! Bit more saving but meh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 If there's a way of doing it, then you probably should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 What the frame or Pashley forks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 im not sure what your personal preference is, but if you want to do any fast, flowy line's with manual's and 360's etc.. then i would suggest running a rear freehub as the FFW setup on my 24 felt awful at any speed above 1 mph! In what way did it feel awful? I cant manual yet so I cant see how a freehub would help me with them and spins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Maxxis Holyrollers are my only choice to be honest! I've ran them in the past and they were AWESOME. Best tyre i have used to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24martin Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) In what way did it feel awful? I cant manual yet so I cant see how a freehub would help me with them and spins. some people may like a ffw setup, i thought my ffw felt great when riding natty/tgs and doing mostly static moves, but for me personally when im riding street and trying more bmx style moves it felt like the bike reacted really strangely whilst doing things at high speed with a ffw, especially with manuals.. it almost feel's like there is some wierd gyroscopic force going on with the freewheel and cranks when your doing like 15mph and it won't let you keep your leg's and feet in the postion you need them to keep the manual balanced properly, another problem arose when attempting tailwhips, having a rear freehub helps keep my pedals and cranks stay put when the bike is spinning around in mid air. i think quite alot of the "help" i got from a rear freehub was just the confidence thing, i may be wrong but i think the pro2 is one of the srongest hubs you can get, so it helps to know that your bike will handle whatever you throw at it! another problem for me (as far-fetched as it sounds) i just couldn't get used to the clicking sound of the drive mechanism coming from the center of the bike, after 10 years of having the noise behind me also with a ffw i found it wierdly uncomfortable / massively off putting when your going pretty fast towards a gap or a dirt jump and you look down at your bike and your chain is spinning around and jumping all over the place , not a pretty sight bit of a long list of fairly minor sounding issue's there i know.. but they are all problems that were solved immediately after bolting on a freehub Edited January 15, 2012 by onzamartin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 bit of a long list of fairly minor sounding issue's there i know.. kinda yer but your first point is interesting. I'll have a go of my friends bike today that has a king and give it a go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 18:13 will be pretty sweet and FFW isn't the end of the world, you can always mix that up a bit when funds allow at a later point. Out of personal preference I would go 18-12 just because I think it looks terrible in a park or anything with 18-13, 18-12 is bad enough! I thought my inspired felt a lot better with a bit harder gearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted January 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Out of personal preference I would go 18-12 just because I think it looks terrible in a park or anything with 18-13, 18-12 is bad enough! I thought my inspired felt a lot better with a bit harder gearing. I guess i can always change gearing. I'll see how it goes i may use a similar set up to what i have now and run 2 sprockets out back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Also has anybody used Spank Tweet tweet rims with rim brakes? Ask Ben Rowlands, he likes them. Wider than most other rims. But only come in 32h. Definitely recommend an Element. Apart from the closed cable guides it's a decent frame. I don't even think i've dented mine anywhere, and it's been thrown about quite allot too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hard gearing, short wheelbase, steep head angle, high front end, short stem, front disc, rear vee or disc if possible (vees are good 'cos you get shit loads of modulation when set up right but can still hold solid when you need it unlike hs33s which i've always found as too bitey if you wanna have a good hold) that's about it. Oh and have fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24martin Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 kinda yer but your first point is interesting. I'll have a go of my friends bike today that has a king and give it a go! did you get a chance to ride your friends bike today then bud? any better at the manuals with christopher king ticking away behind you ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted January 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Cheers lads all good pointers. Im prehaps thinking now a 16t trialtech freewheel on a fixed rear hub and the new 22t trialtech set up for the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24martin Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Cheers lads all good pointers. Im prehaps thinking now a 16t trialtech freewheel on a fixed rear hub and the new 22t trialtech set up for the front. sounds perfect, it's defiantely a good idea to run the freewheel on the rear if your intention is to build what will predominantly be a street trials bike. if you get stuck on the last few parts of the build then give me a shout, im sure i will have some spare tyres or pedal's or brake parts etc kicking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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