Adam '93 Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I've been thinking about going for a rear saint disc on my mod. I'm running a mono trial at the moment and as good as it is I'd like a little more power. Has anyone on here used one? I'd like to know if it's worth going for one over my hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) YES! I bum the f**k out of these brakes, they're amazing! They have insane power! Theres a few downsides to them though: You cant (or its very hard) to find spares for them. For example if you need a new seal for your lever then you cant buy a seal but instead you have to buy a whole new lever, also they have a 660 gram weight, so if weight bothers you it isn't the brake for you. When it comes to power they're mad! I had one on my mod - it was leaking at the lever, and not bedded in and it was better than my hope trial - I couldn't get it to slip atall!! However i wouldn't recommend it on the front, i haven't tried it on the front i just cant help thinking it would be too much power, bit over kill..? Edited December 27, 2011 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam '93 Posted December 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I can live with a little extra weight. They're post mount calipers so is It possible to get an adapter to run a 160mm rotor on the rear with standard IS mounts? Any other opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_ruskin Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 However i wouldn't recommend it on the front, i haven't tried it on the front i just cant help thinking it would be too much power, bit over kill..? Front disk overkill? thats ridiculous, no matter how powerful i cant imagine any disk could be more powerful than a well working mag/vee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Front disk overkill? thats ridiculous, no matter how powerful i cant imagine any disk could be more powerful than a well working mag/vee Me neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Front disk overkill? thats ridiculous, no matter how powerful i cant imagine any disk could be more powerful than a well working mag/vee Hmm... maybe not, i don't know? I havn't used it on the front and i dont think i'd want to, i know ali c used one and took it off due to it being too powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_ruskin Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Hmm... maybe not, i don't know? I havn't used it on the front and i dont think i'd want to, i know ali c used one and took it off due to it being too powerful. Might have been due to what he needed it for? Wouldnt think street trials demands much bite/power, more modulation as its meant to be a 'flowy' riding style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Hmm... maybe not, i don't know? I havn't used it on the front and i dont think i'd want to, i know ali c used one and took it off due to it being too powerful. wasn't so much the power, more how it was applied. I found the servo-wave lever thingy to be a little unpredictable for stoppies and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Shimano brakes do tend to be incredably reliable, but as Ali's said the servo wave feature make the brake unpredictable for precise brake control. In "pure" trials though, I would definately recommend them. Ive ridden a few bikes with them fitted, a 26" included, and they dont budge. So much easier to setup than hopes too. I'm considering maybe buying a set for myself in the comming year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam '93 Posted December 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Shimano brakes do tend to be incredably reliable, but as Ali's said the servo wave feature make the brake unpredictable for precise brake control. In "pure" trials though, I would definately recommend them. Ive ridden a few bikes with them fitted, a 26" included, and they dont budge. So much easier to setup than hopes too. I'm considering maybe buying a set for myself in the comming year. So what does "Servo wave" actually do? I haven't looked into it but it certainly sounds like a downside if it makes the brake unpredictable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 How are you intending on riding? I too arent sure on how the feature works. I havent used them in the way Ali did, so he would be best to ask surrounding that. Ive only used them in the ON/ OFF way when riding TGS, in which case they are extremely predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Doesn't really make much sense to me but this is off the shimano site, might make sense to someone else? Saint Hydraulic Servo-Wave Brake Levers improves modulation and uses an intuitive tool-free brake lever reach adjustment for on trail adjustments. A redesigned brake lever blade incorporates a more solid ergonomic construction for a more comfortable and confident grip. Features: Servo-Wave Levers: For quicker pad contact and high input. Free Stroke Adjustment: Tool-Free Reach Adjustment. Ergonomic Lever Design. Vinylon Hose: Stiffer for more response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 you see the orange (dusty) round thing in the "c" shaped cut-out? That's the push rod that pushes the piston in the lever. When the brake is first pulled the push rod is further around the cut-out which gives is a smaller mechanical advantage (less leverage on it) which also means the pads start off further away from the rotor than conventional systems. As you pull the lever further the push rod gets forced around the cut-out into a position with a higher mechanical advantage giving the brakes actual full stopping power. Because the mechanical advantage is changing throughout the pull of the lever I found it trickier to feather the brake, however Danny Mac seems to get on fine with them so perhaps I am just a bit ham fisted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam '93 Posted December 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) That actually sounds quite appealing, cheers for the explanation I think I'll give it a go. If I go for the rear left hand brake here then will it be possible to run a 160mm rotor? What adapters will I need? Edited December 27, 2011 by Adam '93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 The 3rd brake down, yes thats the one you need. As for adapters i'm not 100% sure, you'll have to ask someone else with that one, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam '93 Posted December 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 This looks like what I need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 thats the one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKH Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I have Saint brakes on my Sky2. I'm not using adaptors - the rear is the post mount version and the front is IS160. The brakes have incredible bite and don't slip. A bit of pad knock, but no more than any other disc brakes on the market. Weight is a bit higher than the Hope techs. If you can live with that, I would definitely recommend them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam '93 Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I have Saint brakes on my Sky2. I'm not using adaptors - the rear is the post mount version and the front is IS160. The brakes have incredible bite and don't slip. A bit of pad knock, but no more than any other disc brakes on the market. Weight is a bit higher than the Hope techs. If you can live with that, I would definitely recommend them. I'm not too bothered about the weight really. I'm glad someone who's used a set has replied to this, have you ever used a mono trial? How does it compare to the saint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I used one and replied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam '93 Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) I used one and replied I realised that. I meant that he'd used them on a mod and for probably a fairly similar style of riding Edit: I do appreciate your input by the way so thanks for that Edited December 28, 2011 by Adam '93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 haha no worries I was just messing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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