Trials And Lifting

[Azarathal]

Just to say ghost rider, core does not = abs so of course ab exercises aren't going to be as good as heavy compounds.

[ghostrider88]

Just to say ghost rider, core does not = abs so of course ab exercises aren't going to be as good as heavy compounds.

Core is 3/4 abs and maybe 1/4 back,so it´s not so clear for most people.But you´re right.

Edited December 12, 2011 by ghostrider88

[Azarathal]

So your internal / external obliques have nothing to do with core?

Your core is pretty much everything minus arms and legs.

[chris4stars]

what´s unclear about it???Also,if you know about any biketrials rider(1)(or like you said "cyclists from various disciplines") who did 550 deadlift,let me know But I know you won´t find one,not in trials and certainly not in other disciplines because for those deads aren´t benefical that much.That guide is pretty much spot on,(2)I studied at sport uni and I train for over 6years,so I think I know thing or two about weight training. Not to mention that I´m interested in the teoretical part of training just as much as in the "real world" experiences.Yes,building muscle might be "pointless(3)"(look at damon or TRA himself and think about it again),but that´s why in his recommendations is rep range 3-5 reps only,which is range for building strenght(and is also used for dynamic strenght too,but with weights around 50% from 1MR),for muscle building purpose is this range totally ineffective(8-12reps is usually what´s used to build mass,12-15 to refine and create more details).(4)Arm training is deffo not necessary for biketrials,because your biceps get stronger from back workouts and triceps from chest workout and shoulder workout too,if you do presses of any kind.Yes,strong core is very important and (5)nothing creates stronger and more stable core that hevy squats,deads,power cleans and overhead shoulder presses.Those exercises build functional core strenght and no kind of abs traning comes even close to then in this area.

1. i think you will find almost every track sprint cyclist can do that with relative ease (your chris boardman type). i have a few friends as well who can do deadlift as much is TRA. so few people compete in trials compared to all other cycling disciplines

2. good for you, ive trained for over 12 years now. represented county and had the pleasure to work with top coaches. have worked in a gym for a good part of that, and have studied training in sport to as high a level. im now fortunate to be within a large cicrle of friends who include some of the uk(and worlds) top athletes. (the new uk natural bodybuilding champ and 2nd in world, along with scotlands power lifing champion to include a couple). we have extensive chat about the science behind it all, beniefits, new techniques etc etc (can i claim to know a thing or two aswell?)

3. thanks - i had a look again, if you would return the favour and read my post again? i wrote 'if its the wrong sort' - these hugely powerful guys i train with have nothing on me in terms of speed and explosive strength..(according to your theory they should?) the training you do will (like a sprinter/jumper/thrower) focus on explosive strength. this includes regular speed work/plyometric training etc etc

4. what? just shut up. some decent slow motion video could clearly urinate all over this point. if working secondary muscles was sufficient to train them, then athletes wouldnt specifically train arms.

5. similar to 4 - im pretty sure core specific exercises work your core much more....(hence why pretty much all athletes do them).

6. i just read your new nonsense about core core is equally distributed around your body. 50/50 front/back. not only is that just basic physics...its actually a very unhealthy mindset to have when training the core. alot of people focus on abs and not the back or sides. this creates problems later on in life

to help: typing "what are your core muscles" into the wonder that is google comes up with this as the second result. read and expand on your 6 years of uni and training knowledge:

core

*edit* - boom

Edited December 12, 2011 by chris4stars

[ghostrider88]

So your internal / external obliques have nothing to do with core?

Your core is pretty much everything minus arms and legs.

obliques are abdominal muscles(hence the name musculus obliqus internus/externus ABDOMINIS) and no,everything minus arms and legs is torso,not core.I know what you mean though

[ghostrider88]

1. i think you will find almost every track sprint cyclist can do that with relative ease (your chris boardman type). i have a few friends as well who can do deadlift as much is TRA. so few people compete in trials compared to all other cycling disciplines

2. good for you, ive trained for over 12 years now. represented county and had the pleasure to work with top coaches. have worked in a gym for a good part of that, and have studied training in sport to as high a level. im now fortunate to be within a large cicrle of friends who include some of the uk(and worlds) top athletes. (the new uk natural bodybuilding champ and 2nd in world, along with scotlands power lifing champion to include a couple). we have extensive chat about the science behind it all, beniefits, new techniques etc etc (can i claim to know a thing or two aswell?)

3. thanks - i had a look again, if you would return the favour and read my post again? i wrote 'if its the wrong sort' - these hugely powerful guys i train with have nothing on me in terms of speed and explosive strength..(according to your theory they should?) the training you do will (like a sprinter/jumper/thrower) focus on explosive strength. this includes regular speed work/plyometric training etc etc

4. what? just shut up. some decent slow motion video could clearly urinate all over this point. if working secondary muscles was sufficient to train them, then athletes wouldnt specifically train arms.

5. similar to 4 - im pretty sure core specific exercises work your core much more....(hence why pretty much all athletes do them).

6. i just read your new nonsense about core core is equally distributed around your body. 50/50 front/back. not only is that just basic physics...its actually a very unhealthy mindset to have when training the core. alot of people focus on abs and not the back or sides. this creates problems later on in life

to help: typing "what are your core muscles" into the wonder that is google comes up with this as the second result. read and expand on your 6 years of uni and training knowledge:

core

*edit* - boom

I don´t want to argue with you mate,so I will only respond to your point 6 and 3-I study medicine,so believe you me,I know wore about muscles and human anatomy and physiology than you and you friends together.Yes,core muscles ale abs and back,that´s it.You know where you problem is?you don´t know what abdominal muscles prolly are,so I will name them just for you(in latin,but I´m sure someone as inteligent and educated as you should be after all those years of studying and training won´t have problem with that)1.m.rectus abdominis 2.m. pyramidalis 3.m.obliqus externus abdominis 4.m.obliqus internus abdominis 5.m.transversus abdominis 6.m transversus abdominis 7.m.quadratus lumborum(all those are abdominal muscles because they surround abdominal cavity)and finally,lumbal part of erector spinae.Is that ok with you?

point 3-you know that the guys with highest vertical are mostly weight lifters?(not powerlifters!)and of course if you lift weights close to your 1MR you won´t be able to move it fast enough to gain any dynamic strenght,same thing applies to higher rep range with moderate weight-with exaustion you will lose speed,which is clearly contraproductive in dynamic strenght training.About your more muscle=worse riding theory,again,watch vid of for example pavel borisevich-guy might weight around 150 and is one of the most dynamic riders I´ve seen.Then you have here TRA ar damon,guys who are 60-70pounds heavier than him.watch them to gap and you will find out that damon nor TRA are that dynamic as Pavel,yet they still can go much further/higher.Why?This is where you were clearly wrong,trials riding is not only about speed,it´s also about kinetic energy and these heavier guys don´t have to be that fast to go bigger than him because of this simple fact.Pro riders are stringy because they have to ride extremely difficult sectionf for 2hours and in that case more muscle mass=higher oxygen request,which is clearly disadvantage.Beeing light weight and more dynamic won´t make you go higher/further.case closed.

Edited December 12, 2011 by ghostrider88

[Laurence--Trials]

Not really read the thread but noticed you said you don't ache after riding.

Do you ride much natural? Do some decent lines on natural (not just sidehopping up a wall then sitting down and having a Red Bull and a tasty B&H)and you will ache.

No i dont, where i live there really isn't many places to ride, our trials park (mash of cotten reals) at the village hall got taken away due to insurance, so we're forced into a TGS style unless we ride the city.. Which isn't very offen, especially at this time of year

[chris4stars]

I don´t want to argue with you mate,so I will only respond to your point 6 and 3-I study medicine,so believe you me,I know wore about muscles and human anatomy and physiology than you and you friends together.Yes,core muscles ale abs and back,that´s it.You know where you problem is?you don´t know what abdominal muscles prolly are,so I will name them just for you(in latin,but I´m sure someone as inteligent and educated as you should be after all those years of studying and training won´t have problem with that)1.m.rectus abdominis 2.m. pyramidalis 3.m.obliqus externus abdominis 4.m.obliqus internus abdominis 5.m.transversus abdominis 6.m transversus abdominis 7.m.quadratus lumborum(all those are abdominal muscles because they surround abdominal cavity)and finally,lumbal part of erector spinae.Is that ok with you?

point 3-you know that the guys with highest vertical are mostly weight lifters?(not powerlifters!)and of course if you lift weights close to your 1MR you won´t be able to move it fast enough to gain any dynamic strenght,same thing applies to higher rep range with moderate weight-with exaustion you will lose speed,which is clearly contraproductive in dynamic strenght training.About your more muscle=worse riding theory,again,watch vid of for example pavel borisevich-guy might weight around 150 and is one of the most dynamic riders I´ve seen.Then you have here TRA ar damon,guys who are 60-70pounds heavier than him.watch them to gap and you will find out that damon nor TRA are that dynamic as Pavel,yet they still can go much further/higher.Why?This is where you were clearly wrong,trials riding is not only about speed,it´s also about kinetic energy and these heavier guys don´t have to be that fast to go bigger than him because of this simple fact.Pro riders are stringy because they have to ride extremely difficult sectionf for 2hours and in that case more muscle mass=higher oxygen request,which is clearly disadvantage.Beeing light weight and more dynamic won´t make you go higher/further.case closed.

you sir are an official willy with such a response. my pretty ripped figure would suggest i do 'prolly' know what the abs are;) will you also read please? noone said more muscle = worse riding

so you study medicine, big deal...i have many doctor friends (well beyound your stage). its actually a bit of a joke how little alot of medical students know about muscle anatomy. i recall one gentleman during a lecture not knowing where the biceps are. studying maths at edinburgh uni and dating a doctor for 3 years during that highlighted such things.

the doctor friends as a result come from the fact your kind very rarely stray into social circles other than other doctors...you meet one, results in 15 others. are their opinions valid in this case? either way, i think you'll find that very few actual doctors will ever claim to know as much as leading athletes/coaches.

as for your theoretical riding nonsense. when you compare top trials riders with top world athletes i find it a bit of a joke. are you seriously comparing the power and explosive speed of the world leading sprint cyclists to a few trials riders? you need alot more than a handful of names to proove any sort of theory you may have

trials is in its comparatively infant stage. what is achieveable has by no means peaked yet. you'll find that as it progresses throughout the generations, certain body types (and the training to go along side it) will excel above all others. the severe lack of top athletes competing in trials will obviously make this a slow progress.

do you think a world leading highjumper (if they took the time to learn to ride) would perhaps demonstrate my theory? they can jump in excess of any trial rider. their standing jump is unbelivably high...i wonder how they would fair with the correct technique?

i can compare this to athletics. early 20th century athletes did not train to the exacting standards of todays. pints and pies after training etc. little was know about training and nutrition and though they did achieve some impressive stuff, its nothing by todays standards. the hugely stict training regimes of todays athletes is driven by the fact there is so much competition, and its whats needed to stand out. with trials, so few riders are of that physical level to compete against, the same drive isnt there.

to make it abundantly clear, trials is just another sport. it is no differet. like any other sport in the world, there is an optimum physical condition in terms of body composition to aim for. that includes specific training etc

Edited December 12, 2011 by chris4stars

[Laurence--Trials]

do you think a world leading highjumper (if they took the time to learn to ride) would perhaps demonstrate my theory? they can jump in excess of any trial rider. their standing jump is unbelivably high...i wonder how they would fair with the correct technique?

That would be incredable, just think they might even be hitting the 70inch mark with years of practice and training and a very light bike..? who knows?

[ghostrider88]

you sir are an official willy with such a response. my pretty ripped figure would suggest i do 'prolly' know what the abs are;) will you also read please? noone said more muscle = worse riding

so you study medicine, big deal...i have many doctor friends (well beyound your stage). its actually a bit of a joke how little alot of medical students know about muscle anatomy. i recall one gentleman during a lecture not knowing where the biceps are. studying maths at edinburgh uni and dating a doctor for 3 years during that highlighted such things.

the doctor friends as a result come from the fact your kind very rarely stray into social circles other than other doctors...you meet one, results in 15 others. are their opinions valid in this case? either way, i think you'll find that very few actual doctors will ever claim to know as much as leading athletes/coaches.

This is what makes you sound like total ignorant...You are ripped,so what?are you so ripped that you can see deeper layers of abdominal wall?If that´s the case,congrats to you,you are so ripped,it´s not even funny anymore,because you can´t see any other muscle from my list except for rectus abdominis and obliqus externus.If it´s common in UK for doctors not to know anatomy, it´s pretty sad,because here in Slovakia they wouldn´t finish even first semester without knowing anatomy of skeleton and muscles.So sorry to hear that level of medical schools in England is such subpar(even though I don´t think it´s true).And I know for fact that most doctors here know more about anatomy,physiology and biochemistry than trainers will ever learn.And no,I´m not saying they know how to train,but saying that doctors don´t know anatomy is probably the biggest nonsense in this thread.So stop arguing about things that basicly has nothing to do with this thread.And look for some good book of anatomy if you don´t have one,you could use it before stating anything simmilar to your "ripped" claim.

[dann2707]

This is what makes you sound like total ignorant...You are ripped,so what?are you so ripped that you can see deeper layers of abdominal wall?I

Why do you always have to be right? I've noticed pretty much every post of yours has to contradict other people, or contains some form of shitty sarcasm with a chip on your shoulder. No one cares!

Edited December 12, 2011 by dann2707

[N.Wood]

No i dont, where i live there really isn't many places to ride, our trials park (mash of cotten reals) at the village hall got taken away due to insurance, so we're forced into a TGS style unless we ride the city.. Which isn't very offen, especially at this time of year

Ah, yeah makes it a bit harder. I guess linking lots of street moves together without a rest (um, that'll be a line then)would give a similar effect if aching/working harder is what you're after.

[ghostrider88]

Why do you always have to be right? I've noticed pretty much every post of yours has to contradict other people, or contains some form of shitty sarcasm with a chip on your shoulder. No one cares!

It´s just response like every other,no pun intended...If he was right,I would´n say anything,but in this case he wasn´t.I have nothing against him or against anyone else in this thread.I just feel the need to correct misleading statements,that´s all.

Edited December 12, 2011 by ghostrider88

[Laurence--Trials]

Ah, yeah makes it a bit harder. I guess linking lots of street moves together without a rest (um, that'll be a line then)would give a similar effect if aching/working harder is what you're after.

True, i'll see what i can do. Thanks mr wood

[TrialsIsHard]

Surely 'plyometric' training would be the best workout for trials, rather than lifting. As it increases the speed at which muscles can contract and the power they exert when doing so. So in sidehops for example, you'd want strong fast twitch 'explosive' muscles not very strong slow twitch muscles from lifting heavy weights.

Correct me if I'm wrong..

[chris4stars]

This is what makes you sound like total ignorant...You are ripped,so what?are you so ripped that you can see deeper layers of abdominal wall?If that´s the case,congrats to you,you are so ripped,it´s not even funny anymore,because you can´t see any other muscle from my list except for rectus abdominis and obliqus externus.If it´s common in UK for doctors not to know anatomy, it´s pretty sad,because here in Slovakia they wouldn´t finish even first semester without knowing anatomy of skeleton and muscles.So sorry to hear that level of medical schools in England is such subpar(even though I don´t think it´s true).And I know for fact that most doctors here know more about anatomy,physiology and biochemistry than trainers will ever learn.And no,I´m not saying they know how to train,but saying that doctors don´t know anatomy is probably the biggest nonsense in this thread.So stop arguing about things that basicly has nothing to do with this thread.And look for some good book of anatomy if you don´t have one,you could use it before stating anything simmilar to your "ripped" claim.

not even going to bother debating half of that...if oxford and edinburgh are sub-par unis for medicine then so be it its a good job they studied here than over there . you sound like a medical student who has just gone through their first anatomy course and feels they know it all. your ignorance of 'core' has already been highlighted with a simple google search, jump off your pedastool and accept you maybe dont know it all. im certaininly not claiming i do - im just in a priveledged postion to be in the company of various friends who have vast amounts of information/advice on a topic i have great interest in. im just the messenger so to speak.

your years at uni are like learning to drive, you get only the basics...the real learning starts when you get your placements, fy1&2 equivalents, mrcp's and the 3-7 years of specialist training.

the ripped 'claim' was just a playful hint that i have an idea of what and where the abdominal muscles are, and how to work them in training. i have also noticed that in posts in this thread and others you come out with nonsense or unhelpful somewhat argumentative comments.

i genuinely posted to help the guy, and TRA's training blog (in which he himself admits to knowing very little of the subject) i felt wasnt very helpful to the thread, was confusing and could perhaps directed newcomers to training/gym work in the wrong way

trialsishard is spot on, plyometric explosive workouts will be exactly where to start. a strong core for balance, and good upper body strength for taking the moves to 'the next level'. when you watch the top riders in slow motion, its incredible to see how much of an all body action alot of moves are.

Edited December 12, 2011 by chris4stars

[ghostrider88]

Surely 'plyometric' training would be the best workout for trials, rather than lifting. As it increases the speed at which muscles can contract and the power they exert when doing so. So in sidehops for example, you'd want strong fast twitch 'explosive' muscles not very strong slow twitch muscles from lifting heavy weights.

Correct me if I'm wrong..

Fast twich muscle fibers will be used when lifting heavy(close to 85-100% 1MR) even more,because strenght is generated mostly by them,heavier the weight,more alpha-motoneurones will be used to stimulate more motoric units,thus more muscle fibers(all types,fast/slow/intermediate)will be used to lift that weight.Yes,ballistic type of training(rep range around 3reps,weight 50-60% 1RM) is better for ultimate speed,because it stimulates fast twitch muscle fibers only,but it´s not the only way to train them.Is that ok?Notice I´m not contradicting

[TrialsIsHard]

trialsishard is spot on, plyometric explosive workouts will be exactly where to start. a strong core for balance, and good upper body strength for taking the moves to 'the next level'. when you watch the top riders in slow motion, its incredible to see how much of an all body action alot of moves are.

Like a boss, back to the high jumpers doing trials. I'm mates with the under 18's UK long jump champion (I think that's his title) and he does an incredible amount of plyometrics and weighted plyometrics and very little heavy lifting as that builds too much weight when compared to the minimal weight gain/power gain of other methods. I assume the same principle applies to trials?

[ghostrider88]

not even going to bother debating half of that...if oxford and edinburgh are sub-par unis for medicine then so be it its a good job they studied here than over there . you sound like a medical student who has just gone through their first anatomy course and feels they know it all. your ignorance of 'core' has already been highlighted with a simple google search, jump off your pedastool and accept you maybe dont know it all. im certaininly not claiming i do - im just in a priveledged postion to be in the company of various friends who have vast amounts of information/advice on a topic i have great interest in. im just the messenger so to speak.

your years at uni are like learning to drive, you get only the basics...the real learning starts when you get your placements, fy1&2 equivalents, mrcp's and the 3-7 years of specialist training.

the ripped 'claim' was just a playful hint that i have an idea of what and where the abdominal muscles are, and how to work them in training. i have also noticed that in posts in this thread and others you come out with nonsense or unhelpful somewhat argumentative comments.

i genuinely posted to help the guy, and TRA's training blog (in which he himself admits to knowing very little of the subject) i felt wasnt very helpful to the thread, was confusing and could perhaps directed newcomers to training/gym work in the wrong way

trialsishard is spot on, plyometric explosive workouts will be exactly where to start. a strong core for balance, and good upper body strength for taking the moves to 'the next level'. when you watch the top riders in slow motion, its incredible to see how much of an all body action alot of moves are.

Sorry mate,but now you officialy pissed me off,you obviously don´t know anything about human anatomy and you are trying to persuade me that I´m the one who is wrong here.Fine http://anatomyhq.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Abdominal-muscle-anatomy.gif , http://img.search.com/thumb/8/8d/Quadratuslumborum.png/250px-Quadratuslumborum.png So now come back and tell me something smart again,because of course authors of those pics doesn´t know anatomy either.And just to make that clear,you´re the one who said that about english doctors/schools,not me,so try to reread your posts.Thank you.And yes,I know that first years at uni are about learning the basics,basics like ANATOMY.

Edited December 12, 2011 by ghostrider88

[TrialsIsHard]

Fast twich muscle fibers will be used when lifting heavy(close to 85-100% 1MR) even more,because strenght is generated mostly by them,heavier the weight,more alpha-motoneurones will be used to stimulate more motoric units,thus more muscle fibers(all types,fast/slow/intermediate)will be used to lift that weight.Yes,ballistic type of training(rep range around 3reps,weight 50-60% 1RM) is better for ultimate speed,because it stimulates fast twitch muscle fibers only,but it´s not the only way to train them.Is that ok?Notice I´m not contradicting

Trials doesn't seem to need the other types of muscle fibre though (slow/intermediate) as much as fast twitch. Unless you're an endurance trials rider it's likely you're going to do a section and have a load of recovery time. So it would be best to keep your weight down and strength up. Rather than beasting it in the dead-lifts and becoming a powerhouse who's body weight is stopping them. After all a lot of strength is acceleration anyway.

[chris4stars]

Sorry mate,but now you officialy pissed me off,you obviously don´t know anything about human anatomy and you are trying to persuade me that I´m the one who is wrong here.Fine http://anatomyhq.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Abdominal-muscle-anatomy.gif , http://img.search.com/thumb/8/8d/Quadratuslumborum.png/250px-Quadratuslumborum.png So now come back and tell me something smart again,because of course authors of those pics doesn´t know anatomy either.And just to make that clear,you´re the one who said that about english doctors/schools,not me,so try to reread your posts.Thank you.And yes,I know that first years at uni are about learning the basics,basics like ANATOMY.

my qualifications would state otherwise...the knowledge passed onto me by people much more in the know would suggest otherwise. my own body would suggest otherwise too i seem to have an idea of how to work it

2 pictures of abdominal muscles means nothing here? so you know the abdominal muscle inside and out? good for you!! thats never been questioned...im sure the authors of those pictures understand it too (if we are pointing out the obvious here)

your post about the % of what the core is suggested you didnt understand the nature of what the body core is. i didnt tell you that you were wrong, a googled website did that for me.

my point about med students an anatomy was to highlight that just because you study medicine, doesnt mean you have an automatic knowledge on what muscle is what, and how it works when exercised. the example of a 2nd year student not know where the bicep was highlighted this...the student in question wasnt alone in his ignorance of muscle anatomy.

the lack of training knowledge of my previous 3 flatmates (all qualified) also highlighted that just because they studied medicine, doesnt mean they understand the principles of exercise/training.

you may (though some comments contradict this) have such knowledge about training and muscle development, ATP/ADP energy systems, and the buildup of slow twitch, fast oxidative/glycotic, and the effect of certain training on each....but keep your medical student nonsense out of this...it doesnt impress me or give you any more credibility in what you say. i would much rather take my info from athletes who have tried and tested various techniques

again - to trialsishard, what your mate does would be perfect for trials training...exactly the same principle. weighted plyometrics though - ouch, the sessions are sore enough without that!

Edited December 12, 2011 by chris4stars

[TrialsIsHard]

again - to trialsishard, what your mate does would be perfect for trials training...exactly the same principle. weighted plyometrics though - ouch, the sessions are sore enough without that!

Yeah, if I get an opportunity I'd love to give it a go. A weight suit would be really helpful for training! If you're competing with the best, you gotta put up with the soreness!

[ghostrider88]

my qualifications would state otherwise...the knowledge passed onto me by people much more in the know would suggest otherwise. my own body would suggest otherwise too i seem to have an idea of how to work it

2 pictures of abdominal muscles means nothing here? so you know the abdominal muscle inside and out? good for you!! thats never been questioned...im sure the authors of those pictures understand it too (if we are pointing out the obvious here)

your post about the % of what the core is suggested you didnt understand the nature of what the body core is. i didnt tell you that you were wrong, a googled website did that for me.

my point about med students an anatomy was to highlight that just because you study medicine, doesnt mean you have an automatic knowledge on what muscle is what, and how it works when exercised. the example of a 2nd year student not know where the bicep was highlighted this...the student in question wasnt alone in his ignorance of muscle anatomy.

the lack of training knowledge of my previous 3 flatmates (all qualified) also highlighted that just because they studied medicine, doesnt mean they understand the principles of exercise/training.

you may (though some comments contradict this) have such knowledge about training and muscle development, ATP/ADP energy systems, and the buildup of slow twitch, fast oxidative/glycotic, and the effect of certain training on each....but keep your medical student nonsense out of this...it doesnt impress me or give you any more credibility in what you say. i would much rather take my info from athletes who have tried and tested various techniques

again - to trialsishard, what your mate does would be perfect for trials training...exactly the same principle. weighted plyometrics though - ouch, the sessions are sore enough without that!

That medical student nonsense is what´s base for yours profesional trainers/athletes studies.Who do you think explored those metabolical pathways?athletes or trainers?Or muscle structure/function? :lol: That was a good one.You´re right,not every medical student does know anatomy very well,same aplies for trainers and every other profesion.You tried to contradict me about my core muscles statement,I´ve proven you wrong and backed it up by pics.What elso should I do to finally SYTFU?

[chris4stars]

That medical student nonsense is what´s base for yours profesional trainers/athletes studies.Who do you think explored those metabolical pathways?athletes or trainers?Or muscle structure/function? :lol: That was a good one.You´re right,not every medical student does know anatomy very well,same aplies for trainers and every other profesion.You tried to contradict me about my core muscles statement,I´ve proven you wrong and backed it up by pics.What elso should I do to finally SYTFU?

eh? your statement about core muscles was about how they are not 50 front 50 back - "3/4 abs and 1/4" back i seem to remember? a statement even azatharal questioned you on? your pictures showed abdominal muscles....didnt proove anything, your replies have also not logically prooven anything ive said wrong?

my googled website (not my words) did however thwart your comment about the core

genuinely, you sound like the medical student you often come across who everyone hates...very early in your studies, recieved a few lectures, read a few books and walks around as if they are the epitomy of knowledge.

by your theory of close to maximum weight training - this guy should be a beast with regards to his fast twitch fibres? isnt really the case though...

to anyone reading the thread, ignore this guy and pay attention to trialsishard

Edited December 12, 2011 by chris4stars

[Azarathal]

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