Laurence--Trials Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 I've been working out alot recently for trials, i read up on it before doing it and i need 80-100% of one rep max which unfortunly i cant do because i don't have the equiptment for. (read up here: http://lift2jump.blogspot.com/ ) So i've been doing pull ups with weights on my back in a bag, im doing around 20pullups have a brake another 20 and so on until i've done 100 normally. What kind of effect will this have on my riding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Every 5kg of added weight adds an extra 1" to your sidehops. But nahh, pull ups work your back right, I always find my back hurts after a day of doing sidehops so might benefit you on that front. I'd work on other muscle groups though so you're overall fitness will improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Every 5kg of added weight adds an extra 1" to your sidehops. But nahh, pull ups work your back right, I always find my back hurts after a day of doing sidehops so might benefit you on that front. I'd work on other muscle groups though so you're overall fitness will improve. Yeah mine hurt a bit, its mainly 6pack that hurts, then back, then arms, then pecks. I also do push ups, sit ups and long cycle rides, especially over winter. Any other kind of exercises i should/could do to help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 I tend to find that its my back that does all the work in trials, proven by the fact that upon returning to the gym after about a year my chest an arms have lost strength but back is considerably stronger. What kind of pull ups are you doing? If you want to find some other exercises and see what targets what muscle have a look on here http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html as it lists exercises by muscle group and gives you all different ways to work be it barbell, dumbbell, cables, unweighted, etc...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 I find going riding makes the most notable improvement to the muscles you use in riding... ...But then I find the idea of going to a gym abhorrent, so I guess I'm a bit biased Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 I tend to find that its my back that does all the work in trials, proven by the fact that upon returning to the gym after about a year my chest an arms have lost strength but back is considerably stronger. What kind of pull ups are you doing? If you want to find some other exercises and see what targets what muscle have a look on here http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html as it lists exercises by muscle group and gives you all different ways to work be it barbell, dumbbell, cables, unweighted, etc...... Okay thanks, will have a look at the site later. What do you mean what kinda of pull ups am i doing? I would like to work on my 6pack,pecks,arms though due to the fact it does make everything easier, especially at work when i'm hauling boxes upstairs. I find going riding makes the most notable improvement to the muscles you use in riding... ...But then I find the idea of going to a gym abhorrent, so I guess I'm a bit biased Yeah buy there's only so much you can do from riding, to be fair, i've been riding two years and i never ache(spelling??) after a ride, however i do after a work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbarr Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Okay thanks, will have a look at the site later. What do you mean what kinda of pull ups am i doing? I would like to work on my 6pack,pecks,arms though due to the fact it does make everything easier, especially at work when i'm hauling boxes upstairs. Yeah buy there's only so much you can do from riding, to be fair, i've been riding two years and i never ache(spelling??) after a ride, however i do after a work out. How do you hold the bar? What position are your arms in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 err.. i dont know off the top of my head, i cant check either, snapped fork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbarr Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 err.. i dont know off the top of my head, i cant check either, snapped fork I mean the pull up bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 err.. i dont know off the top of my head, i cant check either, snapped fork Eh??? I mean do you do close grip, wide grip, overhand, underhand, to the front, the the rear, chin up, pull up, etc... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Eh??? I mean do you do close grip, wide grip, overhand, underhand, to the front, the the rear, chin up, pull up, etc... Hands are probally about shoulder width apart, with hand facing (if you make like a tube with you hand so you could see though them, like that, bad description??) Whats the difference between a chin up and a pull up? Sorry im not good on this stuff as you can tell. As for the fork, i thought he ment handlebar on the bike :$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Chin up Pull up Seriously have a good look round here as it lists what muscle you want to work and gives you loads of different ways and gifs to show you how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Ahh, i'm doing chin-ups. Will do, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Another question, when you work out and get that muscle pain (fatigue???) can that tire you out? Been feeling very tired and wondering if thats the cause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Muscle pain is DOMS (Delayed onset muscle something, no idea what the s actually stands for...) I get really tired too, it could be linked because you're using energy to repair the muscle, just eat more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 delayed onset muscle soreness? basically, when you do the exercise and get that pumped sore feeling...what has actually happen is lots of tiny little tears in the muscle fibres. when your body fixes these tears, it adds to the muscle mass and creates a stronger muscle most exercises will help your riding in some way, desite what others may say - resistance work does allow for benefits that riding alone cannot give you (ie if you want to get higher/further etc) lots and lots of various training techniques to use, way too many to write in here! just find what suits you and go with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) this should be sticky here... http://trarider.webs.com/weightlifting.htm the best advices for riding purpose. Edited December 11, 2011 by ghostrider88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 this should be sticky here... http://trarider.webs.com/weightlifting.htm the best advices for riding purpose. this should most certainly not be sticky'd Beginning with "First off, i have no education in this" pretty much says it all...if anything i would actively urge you to remove that nonsense from this topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockett Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 i lift alot, loads more than i ride but what i find helps the most for trials is deadlifts because that's where most of the power for trials comes from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Deadlifts is predominantly lower back though, I find I use lower back when balacing but all my power comes from my lats / delts / traps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 this should most certainly not be sticky'd Beginning with "First off, i have no education in this" pretty much says it all...if anything i would actively urge you to remove that nonsense from this topic Sure,because TRA as one of the best riders in history who is also prolly the strongest rider on earth doesn´t know how to train right...You don´t have to be qualified trainer to know how to train i lift alot, loads more than i ride but what i find helps the most for trials is deadlifts because that's where most of the power for trials comes from Right on,deads and power cleans are the two best exercises for biketrials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) Sure,because TRA as one of the best riders in history who is also prolly the strongest rider on earth doesn´t know how to train right...You don´t have to be qualified trainer to know how to train sorry, that is just b****cks, did you read what you wrote there or just decided to openly come across with such rubbish? I would hazard a guess that any proffesional trained athletes (cyclists in various disciplines) would make a mockery of such a claim I never said that you do have to be a qualified trainer to know how to train, but you do need to know what you are talking about before recommending or critising training techniques (as he does). as good as his intentions are in writing it, i think its just unclear and not a very accurate or particular good guide there is a reason why the top athletes in the world have strict training regimes...trials is a sport no different from any other. *edit - this can be compared to the early 20th century athletes who didnt have the same understanding of training/nutrition etc. noone is saying that they were slow, but they were nowhere near their full potential (as the athletes of today demonstrate repeatedly). as for the best exercises - explosive leg and arm strength along with a strong core for balance. building muscle and strength is pointless in this field if its the wrong sort Edited December 11, 2011 by chris4stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Muscle pain is DOMS (Delayed onset muscle something, no idea what the s actually stands for...) I get really tired too, it could be linked because you're using energy to repair the muscle, just eat more. Okay thanks, that helped alot delayed onset muscle soreness? basically, when you do the exercise and get that pumped sore feeling...what has actually happen is lots of tiny little tears in the muscle fibres. when your body fixes these tears, it adds to the muscle mass and creates a stronger muscle most exercises will help your riding in some way, desite what others may say - resistance work does allow for benefits that riding alone cannot give you (ie if you want to get higher/further etc) lots and lots of various training techniques to use, way too many to write in here! just find what suits you and go with it Yeah, i knew how it worked thanks to worlds strongest -something or other- i forget now.. that gave me the motovation to start working out Whats resistance work? Okay thanks, will check out the exercise & muscle dictionary after school, what kind of area of muscles in my back do i need to work out? Top, middle, bottom? All over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Not really read the thread but noticed you said you don't ache after riding. Do you ride much natural? Do some decent lines on natural (not just sidehopping up a wall then sitting down and having a Red Bull and a tasty B&H)and you will ache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 sorry, that is just b****cks, did you read what you wrote there or just decided to openly come across with such rubbish? I would hazard a guess that any proffesional trained athletes (cyclists in various disciplines) would make a mockery of such a claim I never said that you do have to be a qualified trainer to know how to train, but you do need to know what you are talking about before recommending or critising training techniques (as he does). as good as his intentions are in writing it, i think its just unclear and not a very accurate or particular good guide there is a reason why the top athletes in the world have strict training regimes...trials is a sport no different from any other. *edit - this can be compared to the early 20th century athletes who didnt have the same understanding of training/nutrition etc. noone is saying that they were slow, but they were nowhere near their full potential (as the athletes of today demonstrate repeatedly). as for the best exercises - explosive leg and arm strength along with a strong core for balance. building muscle and strength is pointless in this field if its the wrong sort what´s unclear about it???Also,if you know about any biketrials rider(or like you said "cyclists from various disciplines") who did 550 deadlift,let me know.But I know you won´t find one,not in trials and certainly not in other disciplines because for those deads aren´t benefical that much.That guide is pretty much spot on,I studied at sport uni and I train for over 6years,so I think I know thing or two about weight training. Not to mention that I´m interested in the teoretical part of training just as much as in the "real world" experiences.Yes,building muscle might be "pointless"(look at damon or TRA himself and think about it again),but that´s why in his recommendations is rep range 3-5 reps only,which is range for building strenght(and is also used for dynamic strenght too,but with weights around 50% from 1MR),for muscle building purpose is this range totally ineffective(8-12reps is usually what´s used to build mass,12-15 to refine and create more details).Arm training is deffo not necessary for biketrials,because your biceps get stronger from back workouts and triceps from chest workout and shoulder workout too,if you do presses of any kind.Yes,strong core is very important and nothing creates stronger and more stable core that hevy squats,deads,power cleans and overhead shoulder presses.Those exercises build functional core strenght and no kind of abs traning comes even close to then in this area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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