tdubz Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 to cut a long story short tried to fit a head doctor to a monty sloping stem DIDNT WORK AT ALL drilled my monty top cap in the process need a replacement, monty one currently out of stock at the moment any others that would be suitable images of both stem and origional top cap attached thanks tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 What on earth did you drill it with, a ferret?! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdubz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Haha dont ask was a bad bad day yestaday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Looks more like a beaver to me...... Find out the angle the stem uses for it's top cap, find one thats at the same angle . Cheers, Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Why on earth did you even tried to fit a head doctor to an angled stem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 It should work in theory. Assuming the top cap on the head doctor is held on by a bolt, all you'd really need is a longer bolt with the right shape head for the recess in that top cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdubz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 No it was one of the gusset ones with the pole that runs all the way down Fantastic for normal setups but as we can all see made a mess of the monty slopes system Need a sloped topcap asap will the kamel one on tarty site work? Out of stock at the moment thonso lookin if therenis a second hand one on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 It should work in theory. Assuming the top cap on the head doctor is held on by a bolt, all you'd really need is a longer bolt with the right shape head for the recess in that top cap. It doesn't really. If you tried half the bolt head would not be sitting flush with the top cap, and if you tried to tighten it the bolt would bend or snap. And when you do snap it, you have to spend another few quid on a new head doctor bolt. Mind you a lot of people have snapped their head doctor bolts because they are so ham fisted with it, the bolt is only there to preload the headset bearings. Also sloping top caps are an oval shape and not a circle like normal top caps like the head doctor so I don't know why you are even trying to fit it. Waste of time and money and now you might have even ruined the monty top cap. Lastly, tarty have 3 (non monty) sloping top caps in stock. Nothing wrong with using those one of those right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdubz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 the plan was just to use the bottom section and the pole section of the following Linky then to drill the top cap to fit the pole because it is slightly bigger thread so i was utilising the oval topcap just with what i thought would be a slight modifiction turns out didnt work and topcap is now unusable because hole is too big and washer wont solve the problem of a smaller bolt because it will then sit proud of the topcap so any tightening causes the topcap to lift lesson learned the whole point of the thread was to find out if any of the topcaps on the tarty site would fit so which one do you think will fit and i order that one thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 the whole point of the thread was to find out if any of the topcaps on the tarty site would fit so which one do you think will fit and i order that one thanks Any of the ones that's in stock will fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdubz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 thanks mate wasnt sure with it being a monty ste because sometimes their parts are slightly different fitments etc to other parts thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 I don't see why not, but if you really want to make sure email tarty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) It doesn't really. If you tried half the bolt head would not be sitting flush with the top cap, and if you tried to tighten it the bolt would bend or snap. And when you do snap it, you have to spend another few quid on a new head doctor bolt. Mind you a lot of people have snapped their head doctor bolts because they are so ham fisted with it, the bolt is only there to preload the headset bearings. Also sloping top caps are an oval shape and not a circle like normal top caps like the head doctor so I don't know why you are even trying to fit it. Waste of time and money and now you might have even ruined the monty top cap. Lastly, tarty have 3 (non monty) sloping top caps in stock. Nothing wrong with using those one of those right? Not meaning to start an argument here, but do you think angled top caps are some kinda of mechanical marvel? The bolt is still square and central to the fork, the fact that the top cap is at an angle makes no difference to how the system works. You would be able to run a head doctor with it quite happily, aslong as the bolt head was the same diameter as the standard (M6) bolt that is used so it sits inside the counterbore in the top cap (this is what you needed to do to get it to fit nicely btw ). Josh. Edited November 22, 2011 by Rob Leech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Not meaning to start an argument here, but do you think angled top caps are some kinda of mechanical marvel? The bolt is still square and central to the fork, the fact that the top cap is at an angle makes no difference to how the system works. You would be able to run a head doctor with it quite happily, aslong as the bolt head was the same diameter as the standard (M6) bolt that is used so it sits inside the counterbore in the top cap (this is what you needed to do to get it to fit nicely btw ). Josh. It doesn't. If a normal top cap fits "happily" in the sloping stem, 1. Why would tdubs have problem fitting it? 2. What would be the point in sloping top caps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 It doesn't. If a normal top cap fits "happily" in the sloping stem, 1. Why would tdubs have problem fitting it? 2. What would be the point in sloping top caps? He never said a normal top cap fits in a sloping stem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 He never said a normal top cap fits in a sloping stem? He said a head doctor top cap would fit on a sloping stem, which it wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 He said a head doctor top cap would fit on a sloping stem, which it wouldn't. No, he didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) He said a head doctor top cap would fit on a sloping stem, which it wouldn't. No, i said you would be able to use a head doctor with a sloping top cap . Remember, a head doctor still uses an M6 bolt, just because theirs has a fancy head on it, dosen't mean you need to use it . Cheers, Josh. Edited November 22, 2011 by Rob Leech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Wait I see what you mean now JD, the head doctors expanding wedge would fit in the fork but the top cap that comes with the head doctor won't fit the sloping stem. My apologies Edited November 22, 2011 by weirdoku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Wait I see what you mean now JD, the head doctors expanding wedge would fit in the fork but the top cap that comes with the head doctor won't fit the sloping stem. My apologies Bang on, no problem . Cheers, Josh. Edited November 22, 2011 by Rob Leech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 My confusion was that this topic was about a top cap, so when tdubz mentioned head doctor I forgot about the expanding wedge and only thought of the top cap that it came with haha. I really need to read things more than once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Wait I see what you mean now JD, the head doctors expanding wedge would fit in the fork but the top cap that comes with the head doctor won't fit the sloping stem. My apologies No worries, obviously! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) My confusion was that this topic was about a top cap, so when tdubz mentioned head doctor I forgot about the expanding wedge and only thought of the top cap that it came with haha. I really need to read things more than once You know what i've just realised about this? He wasn't actually using a hope head doctor, but the gusset bolt through, so, depending on the size of the bolt head, it may well not of worked anyways . Time=wasted, lol. Josh. Edit- I say wouldn't of worked, he'd of had to do a bit more than just drill it . Edited November 22, 2011 by Rob Leech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdubz Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 You know what i've just realised about this? He wasn't actually using a hope head doctor, but the gusset bolt through, so, depending on the size of the bolt head, it may well not of worked anyways . Time=wasted, lol. Josh. Edit- I say wouldn't of worked, he'd of had to do a bit more than just drill it . It didnt work at all haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 It didnt work at all haha Lol, bike problems, we all love 'em . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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