Skoze Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 But... they snapped repeatedly. they snapped repeatedly. they snapped repeatedly Worth it I'd love it if someone could run something new with the same geo. TT high rises are probably the best new-school equivalent, feel pretty damn sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 snapped heat treated bars?i agree.but normal crmo ones bend ages before they crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Nothing will ever come close to those in terms of feel Cos they were so flexy I reckon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 stacker suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 crmo bars dont snap... You might want to try telling that to the pair I snapped then. I loled I had to sig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 stacker suck. Whatchootalkinbout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) i am a bicycle mechanic,and i know wht i am talkingbout.crmo does bend a long time before it will snap.except heat treated shit. weight is the last thing i am thinking about,i´d rather think about staying alive doing my already dangerous sport. i´ll have to sig someones lightweight freakyness post when i hear of him getting smacked because his aluminium bars snap lol. a good bar should have about 550g if its crmo,otherwise it could snap because of the heat treatening it needs to be that light. street trials isnt comp,its more street,and with my 92kgs i need reliable parts just my opinion edit:stackers suck cos theyre ugly... Edited November 25, 2011 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 please google how heat treating affects the stucture of iron metals at 3. 1...2...3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I don't really need to thanks, I'm aware of how heat treating can be used to improve certain properties in certain instances. I kinda gave up giving a shit around the time you just posted a load of disjointed, slightly contradictory, poorly written bull concluded with such a retarded statement. Parts snap when they're abused or not fit for purpose, whether that's alu or otherwise. Use parts that aren't up the job and expect them to break, that's a given. To then state rather bluntly that we should all be using cromo bars (but only that are over 550g of course) while you're trying to make a semi-reasonable point somewhere in there, on the other hand, is pretty counter-productive. To summarise; i am a bicycle mechanic,and i know wht i am talkingbout. I'll believe it when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 i am a bicycle mechanic,and i know wht i am talkingbout.crmo does bend a long time before it will snap.except heat treated shit. Tarring all "heat treated shit" with the same brush seems pretty ridiculous bearing in mind there are countless different methods and ways of "heat treating shit" which will give said "heat treated shit" different properties. For example, in the BMX world when everyone started going mental over "heat treated shit" certain companies (e.g. Odyssey with their 41Thermal heat treatment process) nailed it, but others f**ked up massively and basically made easily snappable parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) but others f**ked up massively and basically made easily snappable parts. sorry my shitty way do post depends on the fact i am german,and my english isnt so good.had a shitty day,too. i was still talking about the atomlabs,and above is the right answer for those. have seen the tension diagrams and not going to buy them now didnt want to post otn style,lets just go on the nice way Edited November 25, 2011 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) My experience seemingly supports FamilyBiker. Two pairs of the old gusset prison bars and two pairs of bmx bars I had all bent rather than snapped and supposedly they weren't heat treated whereas the newer prison bars (without the brace), that are supposedly heat treated, just snapped. This happened when I pulled up for a bunnyhop which is in one of the videos I made last year. They didn't show any signs of being bent leading up to that. I wouldn't like to make an absolutist statement but I thought that was the general behavior of those materials when treated as such even if the heat treatment does make them strong they will snap rather than bend when they do go? I should note that I also don't really know what I'm talking about Edited November 25, 2011 by Ben Rowlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 street trials isnt comp,its more street,and with my 92kgs i need reliable parts I'm 105kg and i've been using these for about 18 months. I fail to see the merit behind your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I would say Aluminium breaks in one hit like that because of workhardening rather than the tensile strength of the material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 sorry my shitty way do post depends on the fact i am german,and my english isnt so good.had a shitty day,too. Didn't realise you were from overseas, apologies. When your post was still written better than half the scrotes on here I assumed you were from the UK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 You assume to much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 the newer prison bars (without the brace), that are supposedly heat treated, just snapped. To be fair though, that's not a particularly fair "test" as such in that taking out a key brace is going to affect things quite a bit too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) any experiences about the NS District bars? never heard of one snapping but theyre heat treated. seems like they did it like oddysey,hmmm... edit:the old braced bars were often breaking exactly at the brace. (welding stress) Edited November 26, 2011 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Odyssey products are made/heat treated in a totally separate factory to anyone else in any bike-related industry, as far as I'm aware. I know someone with the Districts and they feel pretty nice. I was initially sceptical because of the amount of rise/small bar clamp, but they seem to be holding up really well. Tempted by a set for my next bars, mainly 'cos the reduced upsweep feels awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arw_86 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 why isnt anyone rocking bmx bars one like a 50mm stem if shorter and higher is the best? Or am i just being ridiculous with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) Odyssey products are made/heat treated in a totally separate factory to anyone else in any bike-related industry, as far as I'm aware. I know someone with the Districts and they feel pretty nice. I was initially sceptical because of the amount of rise/small bar clamp, but they seem to be holding up really well. Tempted by a set for my next bars, mainly 'cos the reduced upsweep feels awesome. i know it sounds dumb,but in my experience the 25.4/22.2 shims seem to compensate some of the stress at the bar clamp area.just a thought,i have no evidence for that. but have seen the same bars snapping in a bmx stem (22.2),as holding up well in a 25.4 mtb stem,with the same guy riding them the same way. maybe a "monday"-set of bars,but who knows. when it comes to handlebars,tensile strenght of high grade aluminium is lower than of steel in most cases,so is elastic module,too,wich is the point. fact. sorry,dont beat me again Edited November 26, 2011 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) sorry for double posting,but: found that funn kilo bar at crc. http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=22537 what do you think about it? that"step" is scaring me,bus the weight sounds like i could put some faith in it Edited November 26, 2011 by FamilyBiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 when it comes to handlebars,tensile strenght of high grade aluminium is lower than of steel in most cases,so is elastic module,too,wich is the point. fact. sorry,dont beat me again This is more important than its tensile strength in this application. As I said workhardening is probably what leads to alloy bars having sudden catstrophic failure rather, and hence the perception of steel bending before it snaps and alu just straight out snapping. I could be wrong but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupintart Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I remember a couple years ago when I ran my fork/bars/stem like that, people said "holy spacers" and "that probably rides like shit", but now, everybody is doing it and nobody says a damn thing....funny how that worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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