chris4stars Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Right...calling anyone with painting experience or anyone whos had their bike done in a similar colour... looking to get frame aand forks done in a nice lime green sort of colour, but it seems to be a nightmare finding somewhere who will powder coat in any shades of green remotely close to that?! similar to this (psycho lime but cant find anywhere that stocks it in the uk): My link1 My link2 Apparently its easier to find such shades if using regular spray paint, but i wouldnt think it has the same durability as powder? (keeping in mind im looking to get them proffesionally done, not a diy job) anyone with any experiences of companies who theyd recommend sending the frame to, or any experience of this sort of thing feel free to let me know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le @ Tnn Engineering Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 That's a sweet shade of green. Powder coating is the only way to go far superior to spray paint. You can organise custom powder coating colours but it's very expensive. All I can suggest is keep looking for someone who has the right shade of green in powder. Or settle for a different colour. But whatever you do don't spray it's gay. Scratches off too easily. Sorry if this isn't much help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlperkins Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) i used to work in a paint shop, that colour can be mixed very easily but getting the frame painted could cost upwards of £100. powdercoat will be around 35/40 for frame and forks. i had mine done in kawasaki green powdercoat, its not the metallic colour your after but its pretty nice i think, got the forks done in white too.. £30 finding a powdercoaters to do that colour will be VERY difficult obviously paint isnt as tough as powdercoat.. "But whatever you do don't spray it's gay. Scratches off too easily" EASIER yes. EASY.. No. paint is still pretty tough if done properly. but whatever you put on there will come off if the frame takes a bang on a sidehop etc.. basically if its looks you desperate for - get the paint and be abit more careful when throwing your frame around if its cost thats an issue - get powdercoat edit. ring these: http://www.aerocoat.net/ the guys very good with colours, cheap, good job and will do it for less if paying cash. they are near great yarmouth in norfolk Edited November 12, 2011 by Carlperkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 thanks for the replys guys...liking the kawasaki green on the bike there it does look nice... will call those guys tomorrow and a load of others round the uk to see whats available...not too fussed about the price, it'll be on pretty much my dream bike so im wanting everything to be as spot on as possible. pretty much accepted i'll have to send it away somewhere and it'll be pushing 100 or so ive heard that 'proper' sprays these days if done by a pro paint shop can be harder wearing than your regular car paint alot of people use for diy jobs (ive done a frame myself and its holding up ok but does scratch quite easily, even with as much laquer as i put on) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 may seem daft, im unsure if anyone has tried it...but how would an anodized frame hold up over time?! random thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsIsHard Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) There's a powder coaters down my way, who apparently have many many colours. http://www.touchtunbridgewells.com/business/list/bid/751877 Also here is a picture of all (I think) colours that you can get powder coated. Hope that helps Edit: Also isn't the colour you're looking for, the same as that new Rockman frame proto? I was wrong, but it's this colour? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1850924157215&set=t.1364087477&type=1&theater Not sure if I should post links to peoples facebook without permission but, it's a nice colour Edited November 13, 2011 by TrialsIsHard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 There's a powder coaters down my way, who apparently have many many colours. http://www.touchtunbridgewells.com/business/list/bid/751877 Also here is a picture of all (I think) colours that you can get powder coated. Hope that helps Edit: Also isn't the colour you're looking for, the same as that new Rockman frame proto? I was wrong, but it's this colour? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1850924157215&set=t.1364087477&type=1&theater Not sure if I should post links to peoples facebook without permission but, it's a nice colour yes - thats exactly the colour, the photo of his frame above the trophies shows it pretty much perfectly! ive no idea why it is seemingly impossible to find, but i'll keep looking looked through various ral and those other 'bs' number charts with nothing coming close at all...with lime green being being quite popular quite a few other areas recent (almost fashionable) im surprised this is the case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsIsHard Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Lime green is really easy to get, that shade however probably isn't. Contact rockman and see how it's coated and which colour number it is? Might get you moving in the right direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haddles Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I am a painter for a living - self employed for the last 20 years, I specialise in a lot of show cars etc. This colour will be easy to replicate in automotive paints, and if applied properly in base coat with a low bake 2K clear coat (baked at approx 80c over it should last well. Powder coating is harder, but can also mask cracks if they happen. Professionaly applied paint is hardwearing - look at cars, same stuff. Aerosol applied in a garage won't last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I am a painter for a living - self employed for the last 20 years, I specialise in a lot of show cars etc. This colour will be easy to replicate in automotive paints, and if applied properly in base coat with a low bake 2K clear coat (baked at approx 80c over it should last well. Powder coating is harder, but can also mask cracks if they happen. Professionaly applied paint is hardwearing - look at cars, same stuff. Aerosol applied in a garage won't last. i'll definately keep that in mind...ive literally called dozens of places up and down the uk, and none seem to have even heard of powders that arent on the RAL chart, so when i mention fancy candys/translucents they switch off http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucid-Cycles/213389968692913#!/photo.php?fbid=213397868692123&set=a.213397655358811.57449.213389968692913&type=3&theater have pretty much decided this is the colour im going for - "shocker yellow", where maybe one place in the uk may have access to order the paint and do it for me...crazy but ah well! if it turns out its not possible, a decent paint will be the next option thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 bit of a recent worry - removing the paint and redoing it will void the warranty!? has anyone had any experience of powdercoating reducing a frames strength or anything like that have to say, it did worry me a little (even if the chances of a break are very very minimal) :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 This might help. This warranty excludes damage or deterioration to the surface finish, aesthetics or appearance of the product. So I assume that the removing the paint wouldn't be an issue, unless you remove it with a chisel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Powder coating is donn, got my frame done at Essex Powder Coating this propper little shady opp run out of a container, but 40 quid including the strip and paint, never chipped and i gave that frame hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) very nice example simpson thanks the one up here in edinburgh is a similar deal...a little alleyway with a garage behind some random doors, but they did my old rims and bars a trear, and the stuff that comes out looks great the only area id be particular worried about is the rear disk brake mount....with a frame/fork that isnt even replaceable as a single item...you cant help but get a little paranoid! andrew - apparently the skye is a little different in terms of warranty, but hey...if i manage to break one after painting it, maybe a begging/pleading letter to the guys at inspired may help my case?! can imagine they are simialr to hope in terms of service (fingers crossed as im having to ask them for graphic pictures to make stickers from!) Edited November 14, 2011 by chris4stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 At the place where I had my frame done they filled my bolt holes with some sort of filler, which prevented any thread damage. The paint came off around the magura mounts but only where there was contact with the frame so it wasn't noticeable. btw that bike wasn't a Danny Mac wannabe he copied me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Had my old gu powdercoated... Chipped like a b*sterd to be fair. Powder coating doesn't exactly go well on trials frames espicially when they get bashed about.. great on alloy wheels though ill say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Had my old gu powdercoated... Chipped like a b*sterd to be fair. Did you get it done on the cheap somewhere? If done properly (properly prepared, sandblasted, baked on etc) it should be a very good, durable finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Did you get it done on the cheap somewhere? If done properly (properly prepared, sandblasted, baked on etc) it should be a very good, durable finish. Yeah it was all prepped blasted etc.. done by me old mans business who have been in the fabrication trade for 25 years now. Its just impact damage i landed on a concrete tube then it just chipped. Any form of finish can chip/damage from impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) Yeah it was all prepped blasted etc.. done by me old mans business who have been in the fabrication trade for 25 years now. Its just impact damage i landed on a concrete tube then it just chipped. Any form of finish can chip/damage from impact. sorry, the thread is not for arguing on the quality or durability of powdercoating. IF done properly, there is no doubt it its resistance to knocks compared to other finishes. ive had first hand experience of how tough it is myself if it wasnt suitable for trials, trials companys wouldnt use it for thier frames i am interested however in its potential effect on frames, or if anyone has experience/knows of painters in the uk who will do the sorts of 'fancy' colours im looking for Edited November 14, 2011 by chris4stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I might be well off the mark but I think redoing a powder-coat should not affect the overall durability of the frame. The baking part of the process should reach any temperatures that could damage the welds. I think the main issue you will have is finding someone who can do the colour you want. You could always find the powder yourself and see if the people would be happy with you supplying it to them to use on your frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 that was my thought andrew...i was advised that inspired are maybe just covering their backs incase people do something daft in the removal of paint, changing its looks in some way...use of random chemicals that may or may not affect the integrity etc, who knows! as it stands there is one place in the uk that does 'usa' colours (they are surprisingly common over there!) if he can get a small enough order than i can send the frame/forks down south failing that, as you said its going to involve mailing companies across the water, asking them to send 2/3lbs of powder with some instructions to take to the powder coaters here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haddles Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 The stoving of powder coat is usually at about 180 deg C, so the frome shouldn't be affected at all. Another option would be to get it painted, but to ask the painter to use a ceramic clear coat instead of their usual clear. It's probably not as hard as powder coat, but is certainly harder than a standard two pack low bake clear coat. They may have to charge you a bit extra if they don't stock it. I think it currently is only used on certain models of mercedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted November 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) The stoving of powder coat is usually at about 180 deg C, so the frome shouldn't be affected at all. Another option would be to get it painted, but to ask the painter to use a ceramic clear coat instead of their usual clear. It's probably not as hard as powder coat, but is certainly harder than a standard two pack low bake clear coat. They may have to charge you a bit extra if they don't stock it. I think it currently is only used on certain models of mercedes. thanks, very helpful to know that as a back up...will keep that in mind *edit - just had it confirmed by inspired - ANY changes made to the appearance immediately voids the warranty, shame about that considering they dont sell the frame or fork separately to replace!...ah well Edited November 15, 2011 by chris4stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 *edit - just had it confirmed by inspired - ANY changes made to the appearance immediately voids the warranty, shame about that considering they dont sell the frame or fork separately to replace!...ah well No different to any other trials/bike manufacturer really though. To be perfectly honest, if you manage to break a Skye you're doing something wrong and need to get a BMX... Get the bike/framekit, spray it if you want and don't worry about the warranty. The standard frames are stupidly strong and the Skye is even beefier so just go for it . Edit: Actually, from the pristine look of your previous bike (and the look of your riding from the vid you posted a little while back) you really have no need to worry- pretty smooth and controlled with a certain mechanical sympathy I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 may seem daft, im unsure if anyone has tried it...but how would an anodized frame hold up over time?! random thought... Yeah the old Ellsworth frames were Anodized. Majority of the components on your bike would be anodized so you can see how it will last. Powder coat will ultimately last longer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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