JD™ Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Ahh fair play thats probally why then, i guess you ride street?? My set up is: Try-all rage bar (same geo as the inspired bar apparently) tartybikes stem and well i said the angle about 60 degrees ish... Yea I ride street, but even back in the day when more 'normal' trials was my thing I was running flat Echo bars tilted in much the same way. Bars are designed to be comfortable and fit the human body, obviously when you're holding your hands out 29" wide it's probably wider than your shoulder width - the sweep is there so that your hands meet the bars at the right angle. I'd draw a picture, but I can't be arsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 No pain here. I think they did when they first started doing it mate but now it's painless, pretty annoying though as i'm 19 and clicking like a 70 year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurMonkey Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Just play around to find something about the right weight that you're feeling it a bit at the end of the exercise and get a feel from it from then on This. You need every part of your body to be able to deal with forces. In the sense that, your biceps might be able to curl 20kg, but if your wrist can't you're going to damage yourself. That's also why you shouldn't use strapping or supports when you don't need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) Yea I ride street, but even back in the day when more 'normal' trials was my thing I was running flat Echo bars tilted in much the same way. Bars are designed to be comfortable and fit the human body, obviously when you're holding your hands out 29" wide it's probably wider than your shoulder width - the sweep is there so that your hands meet the bars at the right angle. I'd draw a picture, but I can't be arsed. True... i'll do some bar ajusting today. No pain here. I think they did when they first started doing it mate but now it's painless, pretty annoying though as i'm 19 and clicking like a 70 year old. Lucky, yeah mine are pretty f**ked too IMO, lets hope its not perminant damage eh? Can the style of your rider effect your wrists? or just bar/brake angle? Edited November 1, 2011 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I ride street with swooped back bars (mtb bars) and my right wrist gave way 10 weeks ago and i haven't been able to ride since. My point is, i don't think wrist pain is exclusive to those with stupid bar angles. Mine went when coming up short on a bunnyhop and it just shot forward unsupported. I'm by no means weak so it didn't go through lack of strength, just bad luck i suppose. I've had it x-rayed, started physio but there is still no improvement so not sure what else to do...? The wrist that went now clicks very regularly and is certainly more creaky than before. Whilst my grip strength is still considered "strong" it has been diminished quite a bit and apparently fatigues quite easily so it seems a mixture of trials and bad luck can take effect. I've got to the point where life has become significantly less enjoyable without being able to ride so i'd say if you've got clicks and a bit of pain it would be better to strengthen it, and take proper precautions now, then allow it to get to a stage where it hampers you completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 If you can pin-point it to one move like that though, I think that's a little different to it just aching after riding? I know I've had little tweaks on my wrists from time to time just doing moves a little wrong (I especially hate when you sort of 'slip' your grip, and you catch your bar only with the bit between your thumb and forefinger and just mash your wrist back at an angle), but if you're getting pain from just riding in general it sounds like something's not quite right. Either way though Matt, hope you get something sorted for your wrist soon! 10 weeks is a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Yeah, which is why i think it was more a case of bad luck for me. I just think if anyone is experiencing regular (no matter how minor) pain it could be worth looking in to measures to strengthen the wrist to prevent injury. All i can think of though is before it happened to me if anything was to ache after trials in a normal/regular way then it'd be lower back or feet, never anything remotely wrist related so i'd imagine it isn't entirely normal for them to hurt. It's like anything, once you hurt something you become more conscious of it's vulnerability. I can't say i ever really suffered with the tweaks as far as i remember, just now there is one significant weak spot (luckily for me it's the put your hands on a handlebar position) and something in there feels trapped and will shoot with pain when that position is made. It's very bizarre and it's more than highlighted just how important biking is to me. I still feel strange on a Saturday morning where my first thought isn't 'Breakfast and grab the Inspired', and god knows life is a hell of a lot more boring without it. I've got to the point where i'm considering 'anything' but searching for rubber fists hasn't yielded the most desirable results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Bit off topic mark.. but i assume your at tarty at the moment? Any chance with a little help on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 All i can think of though is before it happened to me if anything was to ache after trials in a normal/regular way then it'd be lower back or feet, never anything remotely wrist related so i'd imagine it isn't entirely normal for them to hurt. It's like anything, once you hurt something you become more conscious of it's vulnerability. I can't say i ever really suffered with the tweaks as far as i remember, just now there is one significant weak spot (luckily for me it's the put your hands on a handlebar position) and something in there feels trapped and will shoot with pain when that position is made. It's very bizarre and it's more than highlighted just how important biking is to me. I still feel strange on a Saturday morning where my first thought isn't 'Breakfast and grab the Inspired', and god knows life is a hell of a lot more boring without it. I'm assuming you've tried getting a second opinion on it? If you can still feel that it's not right inside it might be worth getting it checked out elsewhere, especially if your first option was just the NHS? They entirely missed that I'd broken my ankle, and I've got a bunch of friends who've been similarly mis-diagnosed. Bit off topic mark.. but i assume your at tarty at the moment? Any chance with a little help on this? http://www.trials-fo...lp-with-spokes/ You assume wrong unfortunately, feeling sketchy so I'm doing some 'work from home' type stuff but not actually there. As with anything though, if you e-mail you'll get a reply... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I'm assuming you've tried getting a second opinion on it? If you can still feel that it's not right inside it might be worth getting it checked out elsewhere, especially if your first option was just the NHS? They entirely missed that I'd broken my ankle, and I've got a bunch of friends who've been similarly mis-diagnosed. You assume wrong unfortunately, feeling sketchy so I'm doing some 'work from home' type stuff but not actually there. As with anything though, if you e-mail you'll get a reply... Yeah it's got to the point where i think i might have to. I'm moving relatively soon so will be sorting out a new Doc's and what not so may as well have a second punt then. Missing a broken ankle is a fairly decent error, however i once was told my a surgeon that i had 'tummy ache' when the reality (which later transpired) was that my appendix had burst a week before and was slowly poisoning my insides and had actually given me blood poisoning and gangrene. So i share your wariness of NHS professionals. How long did your ankle take to get sorted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Haha, define 'sorted' I couldn't really walk on it for about a week, then around a week after that I bought a 661 Pro Race Brace ankle support thing and rode my BMX to get around places. I did basically every ankle strengthening and ankle flexibility exercise I could find online religiously, and just gradually rode more and more. So yeah, after around 3 weeks I was 'riding' riding, although it hurt a bit unless I took a bunch of ibuprofen. I don't know when it stopped hurting to ride but that was probably around 6-8wks or so, maybe? It's a little mis-shapen now from the scar tissue side of things, but other than that it seems fine. I gave rolling it a pretty good go a few times subsequently and it handled it for the most part, so although I wouldn't really recommend my rehab plan to anyone it seems to have worked OK... Nice work on the appendix too. My Mum went to a doctor because she was ill and had been for a while (which is very much unlike her). Her doctor told her it was nothing. A week later she went back 'cos she was having chest pains, and it turned out (after seeing another doctor) she had pluracy and had been coughing so hard she'd cracked several ribs. I can appreciate that 'over-diagnosing' everything is bad for doctors, but at the same time the tendency to 'under-diagnose' things isn't great either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) You assume wrong unfortunately, feeling sketchy so I'm doing some 'work from home' type stuff but not actually there. As with anything though, if you e-mail you'll get a reply... Damn, fair enough.. I feel a bit embarrassed about emailing though, i've asked you guys loads of questions recently and i feel like i've been a bit of a pain :$ Shit man, just went out to do my bars and they were "coming out of the stem" kinda effect, cant immagen(spelling?) what they must have been like when i had them even further forward. I did that "grip the bars" technequie(spelling?) and that pulled them back a little so will have a ride with them like that in a bit see if thats better or not. Edited November 1, 2011 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooo Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 My wrists are like cement mixers, from doing gymnastics and martial arts, but I only recently started biking loads. Somethings that might help are, boxing hand wraps, I used to kick box and they saved my wrists, I started using them with bikes and theyre brilliant. Youve just got to learn to wrap, it takes a while to get good but its worth it, you can get much more support than a premade wrist support. Also warm up your forearms properly, open and close your hand fully with your hand at every angle, do weights like people have already said, and STRETCH properly. Stretching is really important. Finally speak to your doctor, it will take him ages to refer you to a physio so start now, and just keep hassling him. ryan leech does yoga... does anyone know if shortening your stem will take the weight off your wrists ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Okay i'll start doing that.. what kind of weight would you reccomend to start, im not a small skinny f**ker but im not massive either, i can bench 35kg 10 times which is my best at the moment.. As heavy as you can lift to be honest. And why 35kg x 10? 5-6 reps is the optimum range, judging by the weight aswell you are a small skinny f**ker. Most people I know started on at least 45kg x 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 5-6 reps is the optimum range Can you point me to the statistics that say that 5-6 reps is best for working on your wrists - i.e. the point of this topic - please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 As heavy as you can lift to be honest. And why 35kg x 10? 5-6 reps is the optimum range, judging by the weight aswell you are a small skinny f**ker. Most people I know started on at least 45kg x 6. i'm 16, about 175-180cm tall, and weight a tiny 9 stone I'm not massive as i said, but im also not anorexic I dont know.. 35 was just what i got up to, im pretty sure i didn't try much bigger? Did it round my uncles house, so i'll try bigger next time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Can you point me to the statistics that say that 5-6 reps is best for working on your wrists - i.e. the point of this topic - please? I was going by his bench stats, bit off topic yes but so what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss-Higgy Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Not even been riding trials for 6 months, and my wrists are ok they only really hurt if i have done something wrong or had a heavy landing. Just keep them moving if they hurt? Probably wrong with this one but i think playing guitar has strengthened my wrists i.e playing power and bar chords for long periods of time??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) i'm 16, about 175-180cm tall, and weight a tiny 9 stone I'm not massive as i said, but im also not anorexic I dont know.. 35 was just what i got up to, im pretty sure i didn't try much bigger? Did it round my uncles house, so i'll try bigger next time I wouldn't worry too much at 16 - you're still growing so don't push too hard! That's probably why your uncle supervised you into stopping at 35kg. I was going by his bench stats, bit off topic yes but so what? You were also going in with no prior knowledge of his aims or any other previous stats. Always f**ks me off when people stretch a tiny bit of knowledge a long way. He's 16, and regardless has not given you any clue to go on for a 5-6 rep routine. Would you recommend that sort of routine for an endurance athlete? Would you f**k. For all you know he's trying to do a triathlon next year and needs to maintain a lean physique to achieve his goals. Not everyone wants to gain muscle mass, so rather than calling names and giving a piece of half baked, 2nd hand advice on the basis of zero facts from the receiver is just moronic. Sorry, but I spent a lot of time learning what I know about personal training, so when people like you pipe up all the time it just gets really tedious. EDIT: In fact, no, I'm not finished. In a couple of completely idiotic sentences you could've actually done someone some long term muscle damage by encouraging them to be pushing hard before they've even finished forming as a human being. Yea, it's possible to train weights at a young age safely, but to do that you need more than the ultra supportive "Do 5-6 reps, that's perfect. Also, you're too skinny, here have this complex". Edited November 1, 2011 by JD™ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Azarathal Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 *snip* I couldn't even be bothered to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I couldn't even be bothered to read. Doesn't surprise me, a lot of what you write here seems based on reading a couple of sentences by an expert on something, then spouting it without any further knowledge. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) dm im just gonna have a sausage roll instead. Edited November 1, 2011 by dann2707 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurMonkey Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 As heavy as you can lift to be honest. And why 35kg x 10? 5-6 reps is the optimum range, judging by the weight aswell you are a small skinny f**ker. Most people I know started on at least 45kg x 6. That's so subjective it's unreal. And you never should train at as heavy as you can lift. Big lifts are to see progression, what's the point in f**king your body by pushing it too hard every single time you do something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I meant as heavy as you can manage, reps and sets included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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