F.N.G Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) Hey guys What is the hope hed doctor like?, anygood?, is it usable for trials etc? Thanks. Edited October 31, 2011 by F.N.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Will only fit standard 1.1/8" steerer tubes with thin tube walls, so rules it out on Trials forks that use a ticker wall on the steerer tube, Designed to fit forks such as the Rockshox Tora SLs and any other mtb with a standard steerer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.N.G Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) Will only fit standard 1.1/8" steerer tubes with thin tube walls, so rules it out on Trials forks that use a ticker wall on the steerer tube, Designed to fit forks such as the Rockshox Tora SLs and any other mtb with a standard steerer. I'm guessing it wont Fit into Echo urbans 09 20" then? because they are cut down So if I buy Hope conventional headset the headset should fit the frame?, so there is no need for the hed doctor? Edited October 31, 2011 by F.N.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'scoolfool Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I'm guessing it wont Fit into Echo urbans 09 20" then? because they are cut down So if I buy Hope conventional headset the headset should fit the frame?, so there is no need for the hed doctor? nah the echo steerer is way too small, the bolts are made of cheese and snap easy, whack a starnut in much better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.N.G Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) nah the echo steerer is way too small, the bolts are made of cheese and snap easy, whack a starnut in much better! Just read some of the Comments reviews, And this sounds a wise idea. Edited October 31, 2011 by F.N.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Had one years ago on one of me old xc bikes... Bolt snapped clean in half and i didn't even over tighten it. My advice... Save your money and get a Chris King :') Had mine 5 years still going strong best headset ever! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Or run an equally bomb proof hope headset for a lower price and run a star nut and steel bolt combo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) Or run an equally bomb proof hope headset for a lower price and run a star nut and steel bolt combo? The shaping of the bolts head on the hope head doctor/top caps are completely different to other standard ones. Due to the hope bolt sitting in a groove. My words: KING KING KING KING KING KING KING..... Forgot to mention... KING! Edited October 31, 2011 by Andeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) The shaping of the bolts head on the hope head doctor/top caps are completely different to other standard ones. Then run an aftermarket topcap. Still works out cheaper than a King. Besides, the bolts and topcap are only countersunk M6 bolts. Easily attainable at any hardware store. My neon headset is designed for a countersunk bolt and Im running a standard M6 with no problems. Edited October 31, 2011 by Echo Lite 09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.N.G Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) I'm going to go hope, alot of people have told me how great they are, and the reviews are good too Edited October 31, 2011 by F.N.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 They're brilliant headsets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 My neon headset is designed for a countersunk bolt and Im running a standard M6 with no problems. I don't know how you sleep at night, I really don't. Edit: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I don't know how you sleep at night, I really don't. Might I ask why? Am I at risk of damaging myself/ the bike running it in such a way? This is a genuine question, I'd quite like to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Might I ask why? Am I at risk of damaging myself/ the bike running it in such a way? This is a genuine question, I'd quite like to know Sorry, I'm just kidding. I'd pick up a CS screw just for the aesthetics but there's no problem with running a normal socket head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Sorry, I'm just kidding. I'd pick up a CS screw just for the aesthetics but there's no problem with running a normal socket head. You had me worried for a minute there! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Then run an aftermarket topcap. Still works out cheaper than a King. Besides, the bolts and topcap are only countersunk M6 bolts. Easily attainable at any hardware store. My neon headset is designed for a countersunk bolt and Im running a standard M6 with no problems. This is the bolt they run on which is completely different to your average countersunk bolt. As you can see it goes down in 3 tiers for it to sit in the groove of the top cap. Is it even possible to get a steel bolt like the ones hope use unless your good with a lathe machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 This is the bolt they run on which is completely different to your average countersunk bolt. As you can see it goes down in 3 tiers for it to sit in the groove of the top cap. Is it even possible to get a steel bolt like the ones hope use unless your good with a lathe machine That is a bit on the 'special' side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 From having a look at the hope top cap, you would be able to run a standard cap head if you put washers underneath it, i think anyways, dont really see the need for the steps . Btw, never had any experience with them, but at the end of the day, how often do you replace your starnut? Mine hasn't seen light for atleast a year now. Cheers, Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 you would be able to run a standard cap head if you put washers underneath it, i think anyways, dont really see the need for the steps . Cheers, Josh. I wouldn't want to dare try a bodge job on anything hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 If we're talking pimp stakes, the Hed Doctor is nowhere close to the Trialtech ti top cap with a nice countersunk bolt. Big and over-the-top vs. minimal and classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'scoolfool Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) someone already said it Edited October 31, 2011 by old'scoolfool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) I wouldn't want to dare try a bodge job on anything hope. Wouldnt call it a bodge, just a bolt with washers, pretty much everyday practice. It wouldnt harm it at all, still doing the same job as the first step on the hope bolt . Cheers, Josh. EDIT- Also, if you just wanted the head doctor for it's advantage in ease of usage and removal, why not just use a standard top cap? Maybe drilled out and counterbored to suit an 8mm if im right in thinking that this is what they are? "nd EDIT- Which i have just seen that they are not so you should be able to use a standard top cap Edited October 31, 2011 by Rob Leech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 my hope headset is going on 2 years old now. I don' use the Head dr just because I have the Inspired topcap, but I have used it before and it worked fine, never snapped the alloy bolt either. I do agree with Mark though, pimp Ti Trialtech topcap and alloy bolt is the way to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 my hope headset is going on 2 years old now. I don' use the Head dr just because I have the Inspired topcap, but I have used it before and it worked fine, never snapped the alloy bolt either. I do agree with Mark though, pimp Ti Trialtech topcap and alloy bolt is the way to go! Have you never tried a king? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Have you never tried a king? Kings are good but you have to admit they're really rather overpriced. Operationally the King offers nothing that a £25 FSA headset offers from my experience. I have run a CK in the past (part of an insurance claim) and it was fine but I'd never buy one with my own hard earned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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