trials-tech101 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) Do you think they sould make a trials biking UK magazine. Give me your vote YES or NO. An opinion would be nice. Edited October 28, 2011 by trials-tech101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 It's been suggested before. The problem is the internet is much quicker and cheaper for news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Would be cool but trials is way too small to justify a monthly magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Who is they? There used to be one but it had such a small following I think it just ended up too much work to continue. Trials is too small to make it worth anyone's while. An online magazine would work but then sites like this and Tribalzine have kinda got it covered with breaking news and stuff anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials-tech101 Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 why dosen't someone make an online magazine and if it gets noticed then start thinking about making a proper magazine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Because by the time it gets made it's old news, there isn't much news to go in it, and no-one would buy it if they can get it for free, especially if it's old news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 why dosen't someone make an online magazine and if it gets noticed then start thinking about making a proper magazine? It costs money to do any of that though. The biketrials included in Trial Magazine is probably about the best you can expect from a full on magazine and that's not much and often aimed at the French market (lots of Atomz, Koxx etc). Tribalzine also is based in France so fairly strongly biased to that side of the market (and translated of course). Give it a go yourself, if you want to see it, give it a crack! Edit: which is on top of the very valid point made by Mr Revolver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murph82 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 It costs money to do any of that though. The biketrials included in Trial Magazine is probably about the best you can expect from a full on magazine and that's not much and often aimed at the French market (lots of Atomz, Koxx etc). Tribalzine also is based in France so fairly strongly biased to that side of the market (and translated of course). Give it a go yourself, if you want to see it, give it a crack! Edit: which is on top of the very valid point made by Mr Revolver. more so, magazines make money from advertising, who but tartys would be interested. Last few mags i've bought i haven't even seen a single trials component in established companies adverts. Why not start a thread on here? An articles thread, a continuous, single issue as it were. All the results and kit talk is covered in trials chat. If your a bit of a journo and want to report stuff, competitions, big rides or new talent then why not write something and upload? Even better you can include videos of what your talking about? Anyone could report on anything, as long as people don't take the piss and write what they know is utter toss and on the flipside, those who contribute aren't mocked then it could work pretty well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 more so, magazines make money from advertising, who but tartys would be interested. But again the problem is that anyone in the trials world already know Tarty and the majority are probably already fairly up to speed with new releases etc. because of the Tarty site, Blog and websites like T-F. Tarty actually ran something of an 'experiment' with advertising in Trials Magazine and from what he said on here the response was surprisingly low, making it not really worthwhile (correct me if I'm wrong Ads). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murph82 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 But again the problem is that anyone in the trials world already know Tarty and the majority are probably already fairly up to speed with new releases etc. because of the Tarty site, Blog and websites like T-F. Tarty actually ran something of an 'experiment' with advertising in Trials Magazine and from what he said on here the response was surprisingly low, making it not really worthwhile (correct me if I'm wrong Ads). my point exactly, even they probably wouldn't bother, the only riders who don't know about tarty also wouldn't know about the mag living under a rock in a desert or something. A rolling online zine is best of both. Info with the odd bit of reporting/writing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haydon_peter Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Bike Trials Magazine (BTM) tried and failed, I think this was around 2004. I paid a subscription for a years worth of magazines, they were never released on time and in the end I didn't receive the amount of magazines I paid for because the guy just stopped doing it... I know I still have all the issues at home mixed in with loads of old MBUK magazines hidden in the bottom of the cupboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurMonkey Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Trials is a small community, and this site makes up a large part of the UK community, so information can be released and discussed on here pretty much instantly. So not only do you get the news, some times direct from the manufacturer, you get to comment and influence the next products. I'd love to be able to write for something or someone just because I really love English and using it. But within trials, there's just not much room for it to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murph82 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Trials is a small community, and this site makes up a large part of the UK community, so information can be released and discussed on here pretty much instantly. So not only do you get the news, some times direct from the manufacturer, you get to comment and influence the next products. I'd love to be able to write for something or someone just because I really love English and using it. But within trials, there's just not much room for it to work. Dude, put it on here! Mail the mods, see if they will open a sub thread or actually a readers write in general or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Magazines don't just have to be about 'news'. All the best magazines I've read (and have seen) tend to not really focus on 'news' much at all. EDIT: If I think about all my favourite articles/pieces I've read from any print magazine, not a single one of them was a news feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Magazines don't just have to be about 'news'. All the best magazines I've read (and have seen) tend to not really focus on 'news' much at all. EDIT: If I think about all my favourite articles/pieces I've read from any print magazine, not a single one of them was a news feature. That's very true actually. Ride gives news what, a couple of pages? The rest is interviews, bike checks, reviews, spot checks etc. You could quite easily set that up if it was based online with reader contributions I guess. Wouldn't make you any money though and would take up a lot of time I imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 We should have a team who interview people on behalf of trials forum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 A lot of bike trials news of today mainly seems to be internet based with all forums/clubs/retailers. MBUK still has a 2 page trials section of each monthly issue. ( Occasionally from back in the day they use to have a 3-4 page article on particular riders like akrigg, ashton, hawes etc...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 MBUK still has a 2 page trials section of each monthly issue. ( Occasionally from back in the day they use to have a 3-4 page article on particular riders like akrigg, ashton, hawes etc...) They got rid of that a while ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 That's very true actually. Ride gives news what, a couple of pages? The rest is interviews, bike checks, reviews, spot checks etc. You could quite easily set that up if it was based online with reader contributions I guess. Wouldn't make you any money though and would take up a lot of time I imagine. Print > Online every time. The good thing about print magazines is that you're allowed a lot more 'space' and freedom to do things, whereas you're relatively constrained online. You also have total control over the context, whereas online there's always banners here, there and everywhere, links elsewhere, comments sections, etc. I haven't seen a single website based around BMX or MTB that comes close to beating magazines like Dig or Dirt, and for me they never will simply because they're catering to people who just want little snippets here and there, not something they have to actually put effort in to engage with. I quite like reading interesting stuff, so for me it always seems like everything's made too short to try and keep the attention of people just ragging through links, going from page to page. I still think there's a market out there for people in the trials world who'd want to read longer, more informed pieces that aren't just "oh my god LOOK AT THIS NEW ATOMZ FRAME" or whatever, and actually go a little deeper rather than doing the standard style of interviewing that people seem to do online. I also think reader contributions isn't necessarily a great idea, in that it sort of weakens the overall 'style' of a site/magazine, and sort of looses it's focus in a way. Even with heavily moderated sites like Wikipedia the user-contribution side of things still shows that there can be a massive difference in terms of quality from one piece to another. EDIT: I also quite like having things I can hold and read. I buy magazines for other 'sports' (e.g. skating, surfing, etc.) because they're usually written well, have really good photography and are just way nicer to read through than staring at a screen. For example, if I wanted to, I could never buy an issue of Huck again and could just read the free online version, but having to read it on a laptop is nowhere near as nice as reading the actual magazine itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilley Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 As Mark says there is something special about a print magazine. I subscribe to Trial Inside magazine and even though my French is terrible I love receiving my copy in the mail. Being able to browse the pictures and articles at the breakfast table over a coffee is so much nicer then staring at the computer screen. Unfortunately putting together a magazine is a lot of work so unless you have the skills, time and are prepared to throw some money at it for the love rather then financial gain it is going to be tough getting something off the ground. That said most things in our sport exist because of people with that passion. DVDs like Trials Is Dead and GET 2 are passion projects for their creators, maybe one day someone with a passion for print will do the same with an English language magazine or perhaps an annual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Should make one, loads more people would start riding (yn) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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