Laurence--Trials Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I'm not going to build the wheel but i just want to know if i can use the same components. i want to build an onza zoot rim with standard spokes and nipples onto a ZHI disc hub (pictured below.) The hub i'd be coming from would be a standard onza zoot hub (also pictured below, im sure you can figger out which is which.) My problem is will i be able to use the same spokes with the new hub? So could i ask the builder to do 2cross (standard) lacing on the smaller flange and on the larger flange do 3 or 4 cross?? if this is possible which one would it be? 3 or 4 cross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Find the rim + hub measurements (tarty, google etc) and put them into a spoke calc, only way of knowing for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted September 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) surly someone on here would know? Currently: Feeling lazy. Edited September 7, 2011 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 It's not really the kind of thing many people will have done. Partly because it's a very specific and uncommon rim/hub combo, and partly because most people would just get new spokes for a totally different wheel. Get yourself on a spoke calculator and stop expecting everyone to do the legwork for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted September 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Okay fair enough. Will do in the morning, thanks you two for pointing me in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 If I was in your place, I would take the new hub into a bike shop, with the spokes and rim and ask them to build it up for me. If they say the spokes aren't the right sizes then I would just buy new ones. Easiest way to do it if you're feeling lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silferme Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I highly doubt that you can use the same spokes as we are talking about millimeters here. Contact Tarty and tell them which hub and rim you are using and they'll send you the right spokes, simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 If I was in your place, I would take the new hub into a bike shop, with the spokes and rim and ask them to build it up for me. If they say the spokes aren't the right sizes then I would just buy new ones. Easiest way to do it if you're feeling lazy. In my place of work we charge by the hour rather than by job because all we get are peice of shit bikes that take 10x longer to fix than they should. £40 an hour, typical build from scratch takes about 90mins, plus spokes (cunty owner charges £1.50 per spoke + 30p per nipple) you'll be looking at about £90 for a wheel build. I need to find a new job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 90mins for a wheelbuild seems like quite a long time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 if they are employed to build wheels and take 90 mins they are doing it wrong Wish I could charge £60 labour on the wheel builds I do! I could have retired by now lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Plus £1.80 a spoke on top of that?! That's f**king outrageous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scully Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I would say def look up the dimensions for the rim and hub and find out what sizes you need for a few different crossings. If u want to save money you may find at least half the spokes may be the right size if ur lucky. The dt spoke calculator is a good one. To build a wheel properly I would say 45 mins to 1 hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyb Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 for sure you will need different spoke lengths, at the very least on the disc side. remember it all depends on how the original wheel was laced ( radial, 2 cross, 3 cross etc) and how you want to build the new one (radial on non disc, 3 cross disc side and so on.) Im lucky that i have a mate that builds my wheels for nowt but he can build one in 30 mins so long as its a good quality strong rim. Dont know why people are complaining about £1.50 a spoke, the ones in my roadie are £4.50 each. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 for sure you will need different spoke lengths, at the very least on the disc side. remember it all depends on how the original wheel was laced ( radial, 2 cross, 3 cross etc) and how you want to build the new one (radial on non disc, 3 cross disc side and so on.) Im lucky that i have a mate that builds my wheels for nowt but he can build one in 30 mins so long as its a good quality strong rim. Dont know why people are complaining about £1.50 a spoke, the ones in my roadie are £4.50 each. Andy Buy a pack of 36spokes for £10-15 or purchase them for £1 each at my place of work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIGAN ?? Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Plus £1.80 a spoke on top of that?! That's f**king outrageous! aren't ti spokes like 2 quid each hahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Depending on what lacing your old wheel was, it might be possible to reuse the spokes. I recent swapped my radial laced hope mono for a viz disk (similar configuration) and as luck might have it I was able to lace it up 2x disk side and radial non disk without any problems with spoke lengths. Chances are your old wheel wasnt radial though so its much less likely to work, I think new spokes is the only sensible option; however if you want to check its always worth putting it through a spoke calculator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyb Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Buy a pack of 36spokes for £10-15 or purchase them for £1 each at my place of work? If you can get sapim CX-Ray Black bladed spokes for £1.00 each i know a company that will buy 10000 of them from you, however i doubt you can as they are about £2.50 each at trade. Trials spokes and top end road spokes are rather different beasts. I would guess the spokes you are on about are plain gauge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben@Abevents Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Goto SAPIM tells you all the measurments you need and you can enter them on the sit to calculate spoke sizes, i would recomend building it 3cross both sides and building it fresh with new spokes. also shop around get your spokes online cheaper. hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted September 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) Okay using a spoke calculator: http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/ Wheel: http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/24_inch_wheels/onza_zoot_wheelset/c538p11426.html (front wheel) Hub: http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/front_disc_hubs/echo_tr_disc/c20p10705.html I've got everything apart from the rim offset? i don't know what it is... EDIT: Tried to do it without (because it said you didn't need rim offset) and i got this: Bad wheel data The rim diameter is smaller than one of the specified hub flanges. Hub flange diameters A. Left 56mm B. Right 30mm Flange distance C. Left 25mm D. Right 31mm Rim dia 31mm spokes 32 Edited September 10, 2011 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 That's because your rim diameter isn't 31mm. If it was, your wheel would be smaller than the width of your headtube... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted September 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Ooh... is the rim diameter 24" Im not good at this stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 It's done in mm - it's the 'ERD' you need, or the 'Effective Rim Diameter'. That's the measurement that basically works out the diameter of where your spokes will actually go. Rims have a different cross-section and therefore have a different depth, so to work out spoke lengths you need to know that size. I don't know it off the top of my head for the Zoot, but they've got a relatively flat cross section so I think it'd be something like 498mm or so. That's pretty much just a semi-educated guess though, so I wouldn't necessarily use that. You can always measure it yourself: http://lenni.info/edd/howtomeasure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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