Matthew62 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Why can't you create in your own style? I've always (not intentionally) gone against the grain in terms of what was expected in Art Foundation and in my design degree by doing what felt right to me. It hasn't always resulted in the highest marks as those seemed to be reserved for those who did everything by the letter in a completely unimaginative style, regurgitating work of years gone by - but if you get through it all you'll have a feeling of great proud knowing you never compromised your views, ideals or ideas. You may not get a 1st class honours, but you'll have respect for yourself and you'll gain it from others. I've always had a reservation of art tutors....i mean why would you get in to that? Failed artist? Maybe? Get off on power? Maybe? Want to help flourish young minds....perhaps a small percentage do. Everyone has a moral compass - if you follow it and don't allow yourself to become what others expect than that's being a true artist. My dissertation got sent back from the invigilator with the remark on the front "I haven't understood a word of this so have been unable to mark it". I had written 12,000 quite plain and simply and was disgusted with this remark. I complained that anyone so called marker could be soo thick (i'd have rather a straight fail) it so it had to be sent off to 3 separate markers after this and it came back and they'd all given it a 1st. My point is - that's the art & design world. There is no right or wrong and as soon as you accept that you can begin to enjoy it and trust your own thoughts and opinions more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I don't like how the culture in the UK almost expects everyone to go on to uni and stuff. Some people just are not the type to pursue an academic path and would be better off doing important jobs that don't require degrees (and the huge debts that come with them). The fact that is is expected of most people to go to uni makes the people that don't go get seen as "lesser" people or such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 See the example of my girlfriend in the London riots thread which i think puts a very good perspective on the degree argument. I think the higher education in this country is flawed on many levels and i think degrees are a commodity which hold almost no real value. It annoys me that many places require them when in fact they say, prove and do nothing. I have learnt substantially more in the 18months/2 years working outside of my degree (in a professional/design context) then i ever did in the 4 years there. Hopefully they won't always be held in the same regard but i don't expect change any time soon. I think so many employees look for them as there a sign of dedication, practice and a hard-working character (apparently)....i guess for them it's a safer bet to pick someone who's dedicated 3/4 years to a cause then someone who is just trying to make their way....again i don't agree but i see it from their perspective. The reality of my degree was recording hours upon hours of music, experimenting with friends and doing the required work from time to time. I'm glad of the time as it teaches you a lot as an individual. But if i take the course specifically and what i got directly from that - then it'd be almost nothing. But then that’s not what a degree is for. It’s not their to teach you something - it’s to give you the time to hone your skills, educate yourself and progress in ability towards your chosen career (again apparently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think so many employees look for them as there a sign of dedication, practice and a hard-working character (apparently)....i guess for them it's a safer bet to pick someone who's dedicated 3/4 years to a cause then someone who is just trying to make their way....again i don't agree but i see it from their perspective. The reality of my degree was recording hours upon hours of music, experimenting with friends and doing the required work from time to time. I'm glad of the time as it teaches you a lot as an individual. But if i take the course specifically and what i got directly from that - then it'd be almost nothing. But then that's not what a degree is for. It's not their to teach you something - it's to give you the time to hone your skills, educate yourself and progress in ability towards your chosen career (again apparently). Word to all that. I know my degree's shit, but I learnt what I needed to and wouldn't have had the opportunities I got/had if I hadn't gone for it. The degree qualification itself is just pretty useful though in terms of it being a quantifiable way of proving the usual "I'm willing to learn, dedicated, punctual, etc." shit you usually have to put on CVs. I'd imagine in the next few years there'll be a swing away from university education though, especially as tuition fees keep going up. We'll see though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksnell95 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 i got 3 u's, 3 f's, 1 g, 1 e and a 2 yes i pissed about at school way to much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 How the hell could you f**k up that badly? You f**ked up so badly you got a 2? That's not even a letter !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 You f**ked up so badly you got a 2? That's not even a letter !! Perhaps the extreme grasp of the alphabet had a part to play... Whilst it's perhaps a little hypocritical of me to say it while I'm on a degree course myself, I really don't think a degree holds nearly so much value as it once did, nor do I think it should. There are increasingly more paths people can take after school now though, which is much better. I think some of the degree options out there are f**king ridiculous and certainly not of equal value to others in terms of a qualification in itself or in terms of monetary value, yet a lot of the time you see them being advertised as such. I work in a lot of schools doing promo for both higher education and alternative options, which has given me a pretty sweet insight into the vast amount of options that are available now that weren't previously. Had I known then what I know now, I wouldn't be doing a degree that's for sure! On the other hand, I've taken so much more from my uni experiences than the academia side of things that I certainly don't regret it for a moment. In my book it's been more than worth the stupid amounts of money I've thrown at it, to come out with a worthwhile qualification too will be the icing on a pretty tasty cake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurMonkey Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 On the other hand, I've taken so much more from my uni experiences than the academia side of things that I certainly don't regret it for a moment. In my book it's been more than worth the stupid amounts of money I've thrown at it, to come out with a worthwhile qualification too will be the icing on a pretty tasty cake This is always my argument for Uni now, my first year was like nothing I've ever experienced. Truly one of the best, most fun, no care periods of my life. But I do agree, too many people are going to Uni, I lived with a guy in first year who just came to get the money, didn't go to a single lecture. Another guy I know, came over, got his loans, didn't pay his rent or go to lectures, just went back home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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