ghostrider88 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 completely different geo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 (edited) completely different geo. Ah, yes, fair shout. Also mod/stock . Josh. Edit- also alot heavier in both cases Edited August 9, 2011 by Rob Leech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxx Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Yes but the design is nearly the same, the bash plates on the 20" is the same, same colour, ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Limburn Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 waii yoo charge moooar rockman? Because they can. But also, the Circus Monkey is coming directly from Taiwan, where its probably manufactured, rather than going through a shop and so it'll be cheaper that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 looks prety similar to this... waii yoo charge moooar rockman? what you mean is why to tartybikes charge so much extra ? i think its worth the extra when compared to echo though, the poor quality bearings and poor machining and fit sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 what you mean is why to tartybikes charge so much extra ? RockMan set the cost/trade price, which is what dictates retail price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 And how much profit do tarty bikes make just by selling the bits on? RockMan set the cost/trade price, which is what dictates retail price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 And how much profit do tarty bikes make just by selling the bits on? Pretty much bugger all. When you look at the price of the full bikes and the total price of all the individual components themselves, I find it crazy to find they can sell them at that price and yet be sustainable. Good Job guys!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 not enough, Rockman seem to charge a high trade price on their stuff which eats into any profits as it would be unfair to charge the "correct" price on a lot of their stuff. Margins on trials stuff is pretty crap in general, especially compared with other industries and even normal MTB stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southend Trials Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 And how much profit do tarty bikes make just by selling the bits on? Do you think there going to release that sort if information to any one, especially over the internet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilley Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 And how much profit do tarty bikes make just by selling the bits on? Well they probably make enough profit to pay the wages, rent, electricity, website hosting, freight, increase stock levels, invest in workshop tools etc. Hopefully after this they also make a profit which will keep them in business for many years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) Well they probably make enough profit to pay the wages, rent, electricity, website hosting, freight, increase stock levels, invest in workshop tools etc. Hopefully after this they won't show any profit which will keep them in business for many years to come. mended Edited August 24, 2011 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Whut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 bit of an odd thing to say, even if you are joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) Nope, he's got a point. If you've made a 'profit' to pay all of your expenses, then you're already pretty much guaranteed to continue to trade - why would you need profit on top of that to get taxed on? EDIT: I know the answer to that is growth, but that wasn't the original point. EDIT2: See different between gross and net profit for more that I can't be arsed to remember. Edited August 25, 2011 by JD™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 But how are you gonna take over the world if you pussy out that soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 But how are you gonna take over the world if you pussy out that soon? Rockman take over the world? More like Echo are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Nope, he's got a point. If you've made a 'profit' to pay all of your expenses, then you're already pretty much guaranteed to continue to trade - why would you need profit on top of that to get taxed on? to pay the bills at home? Buy food? If your business just makes it even, other than pleasing trials riders what would the point be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 ...or to be able to have the option/ability to sponsor riders, or to put on events, or to sponsor events, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Rockman take over the world? More like Echo are Yeah, we were talking Tarty here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Yeah, we were talking Tarty here... I thought considering the threads about rockman Martin being quick as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Yeah, generally helps to actually read the conversation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 to pay the bills at home? Buy food? If your business just makes it even, other than pleasing trials riders what would the point be? That's kind of the point of him including wages And mark, cos multi quote doesn't work on the phone, surely sponsoring riders and events and suchlike would also be a business expense? That's the point... Profit is wasted money unless split into dividends (which should happen anyway to the shareholders which in my case is me) or reinvested into the business. Or maybe my business a level, accountant and experience are totally wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 lol lets face it money is what makes the world go around ...or to be able to have the option/ability to sponsor riders, or to put on events, or to sponsor events, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilley Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) That's kind of the point of him including wages And mark, cos multi quote doesn't work on the phone, surely sponsoring riders and events and suchlike would also be a business expense? That's the point... Profit is wasted money unless split into dividends (which should happen anyway to the shareholders which in my case is me) or reinvested into the business. Or maybe my business a level, accountant and experience are totally wrong... I guess the point I wanted to make was that after expenses a business (Rockman, Tarty, my own) needs to make a profit (doesn't need to be a huge one), what they do with this profit through creative accounting, reinvesting, donating to charity or distributing to shareholders is up to them. I just know from experience that if your business is only breaking even it only takes one unexpected change and everything can start to look very bleak. A clever business will find ways to give back to their customers through things like event sponsorship and as a result their customers will be happy to keep them profitable. There is certainly a balancing act here, overcharge for your products and your customers will soon desert you. To return to the orginal post if to many Rockman parts become available on Ebay under other brand names then they will need to innovate or loose their market share. lol lets face it money is what makes the world go around Very true, we could always become freegans but I would rather ride on bins then forage through them so I'll stay in the economy for now. Edited August 25, 2011 by Lilley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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