Jamie_Trials Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Lets just get one straight pole and stick a bb in the middle, that's what it's coming to anyway! Have to say, looks the sex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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G_! Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) It's so difficult for all you to understand they are testing new things? The people is saying this is a shit..but, have you tested it? then how you know it if nobody has tested it before? Maybe Rockman is doing it to know if this is a shit or not. They aren't imagining like you this is a shit, they are working to know it. to speak is easy, to work not Edited July 20, 2011 by G_! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 If you ride a bike with a +55mm BB and think, "Hmm, this is perfect for me", then try one out with a +80mm bb and think, "f**k me this thing is horrid", a 105mm bb will probably feel worse. It's a justified conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 If the Sky 2 had been +105mm instead of +90mm, I wonder if they'd be showing a +120mm frame now instead of a 105mm one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 CONSPIRACY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpanzyyyy Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 If you ride a bike with a +55mm BB and think, "Hmm, this is perfect for me", then try one out with a +80mm bb and think, "f**k me this thing is horrid", a 105mm bb will probably feel worse. It's a justified conclusion. this is bullshit hifi frame was hated by pretty much everyone vinco frame wasn't that popular either now look at all the high bb frames out there I agree it looks like it will be awfull to ride by most of us but maybe someday, it will be common to ride this kind of geo as it s common now to ride a stock with a +5 bb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam T Posted July 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Guys,.. this was a custom made frame from Rockman and WILL NOT be sold in the 'trials market'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.KYDD Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) Look at Inspired. They're a fairly late comer to the game and have gained massive popularity for well designed bikers with the rider in mind at all times. I bought an Inspired in the first few months when they originally came out, and for some time Fourplays were pretty rare - most people hadn't heard of Inspired. Back then they just made 1 frame - nothing else. Look at them now, how do you think they've achieved this goal? Through bizarre hydro-forming, super-light throw-away bikes, rediculous geo? No, just making good bikes at honest prices in the hope of evolving the sport. You really can't compare the likes of Rockman and Try-all with inspired though. They cater for completely different sections of the market. They are competition orientated bikes, where seemingly 'crazy' geometry IS what is best in cometition scenario. Ask a comp rider what bike they would most like and you can be damn sure an Inspired would be fairly near the bottom of their wish list and visa versa. Inspired bikes are great for what they are designed for. Yes, they are much tougher than comp bikes and will outlast them every time but they are not made for the same thing. Inspired's are made to take a beating, be thrown about, endure bails and generally get abused. You seem to be forgetting that this is not the way a competition 'bred' bike is made to be treated. Don't like it? don't buy it. But don't go hating and calling it 'shit for morons' just because its not what you like. Edited July 20, 2011 by J.KYDD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I am actually wanting to enter some UCI comps next year on an Inspired Hex (not kidding!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 hifi frame was hated by pretty much everyone That baffles me. It was one of the most hated frames around. 1085/55/72/375. The new Pure is one of the most liked frames with most people saying it rides amazingly well (i'm one of them to my surprise). The Pure is ~1093/55/72/382. I'm sorry but I do not believe that increasing the chainstay lenth by 7mm has made an awful frame into a brilliant frame. Anyone who didn't like the HiFi and likes where the new frames are going is officially a fag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I had a Hifi, worst frame I have ever owned. I like the Pure, but I like the fact its so simple, straight tubes, minimal cnced stuff, great tensioners, but I don't like the geo, bb is still too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 To be fair, it's not just geo that dictates how a bike rides (although I'd say a 7mm difference to CS length was a reasonable amount. Not many people really liked the Stinger 'cos the back end was about 4ft long, but most 'normal' frames weren't a million miles shorter. Ali's Hex proto felt a lot different when the back end got chopped by 5mm too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 It could be that now riders seem to be using sensible stems with their high bb frames. Back then people would ride an A1 or something similar with a 110 x 10* stem. I had a go on a HiFi with a faily high stem back in 2005 and that didn't feel awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENDORFIN Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) sorry for my bad english, but i have something to say) Once i have a proto bike with similar bb high(1020\+100\350). It was WERY easy to bunnyhop and "sidehop from two wheels", BUT it was WERY stupid and weird to stay on the rear, or doo some gaps or other. On 2 wheels it's cool, on rear it's...i don'n like. Edited July 20, 2011 by ENDORFIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I like high bbs personally. its just evolution, just like "tgs" 24"s & even all the new 24" street bikes, theres nothing wrong with it. If manufacturers didnt do this sorta stuff we would still all be riding round on specialized rockhoppers with cut down seat posts and vee brakes. Dont knock it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_! Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 I am actually wanting to enter some UCI comps next year on an Inspired Hex (not kidding!) hero! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) I like a relatively high bb on a shortish bike, I think. But I definitely think there's a limit to how high is sensible. I know you can even out the feel of high bbs with high handlebars but you're still raising the centre of gravity which reduces balance, and it will still loop out as said. Interestingly, when I swapped between my ciguena, 1025 +25, and my because 1040 +70, getting on the back wheel was easier, but actually gapping was exactly the same. Edit: That might have to do with me being shit. Edited July 21, 2011 by Revolver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filo Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Ali would love to see you riding the hex in comps. you need to talk to inspired and get them to make a proper trials frame with similar geo to the hex. the worst part with the high bb trend is that if every company follows there will not be any low bb frames on the market. I personally dont like high bb and dont really see the need for them to be so high. Ive tried many frames all with different geos,each with a higher bbs. They dont make any difference for riding.its still a bike and you ride it the same way. If you focus to much on the geo of your bike you never ride it to your full potention because your to busy consentrating on are your chain stays the correct length for this set up,or my bb is to high to get up this sidehop etc,etc. to many people change there frames to keep up with the geo changes and dont get a chance to learn how there existing bike feels/handles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Trialtech have some new stuff coming out imminently Oh what please? EDIT: 22T bash ring and Magura hose splitter Oh and Keita Miyaoka rides a 105 BB bike Edited July 21, 2011 by Canardweb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 I love lamp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadamantman Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 bet it would feel nice on the back wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Personally i think that is awful!!! Must feel like doing a bloody handstand when the pedals are level!! Im a biased low BB fanatic so i will deffo give shit like that a miss!!!! Some folks will love it though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadamantman Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 but they would make a bigger stem so it would feel normal to ride but side hops would be harder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 then i guess it would be like riding a giraffe!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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