arw_86 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 not sure if it warrants its own thread, but anyway... the whole brakeless thing is 'cool' these days. But why not ride with brakes and not cover the levers when you wanna ride brakeless and cover them when you wanna do more traditional style trials? I have vee brakes on my marino but if i ever wanna do rolly brakeless stuff etc (admittedly not well at all) i just dont cover the brake levers with my fingers? then when i see a gap or whatever i can just cover my brakes and do it, rather than thinking 'ahhhhh crap, i havent got brakes so i cant do that anymore' surely thats the best of both world and not limiting yourself to one or the other? I dont really wanna read stuff like, it looks better or its lighter cause they are crap excuses to me haha. Only thing i can possibly think of is with the quick whip arounds, 180s and 360s brake cables may get in the way or the force on the wheels may make them rub a pad?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam T Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 For me its the fact that i know they're there if i need them. If a trick goes wrong i can grab them and save myself, whereas if they're not you cant, so you know what your doing wrong. If that makes sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 It's a weird one - there's definitely something different about not having them there at all as a 'safety net' that makes you commit more and ride differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 You just look at everything differently. Spots you usually find boring on your pure trials bike become a whole lot more interesting. Riding brakeless with brakes on just isn't the same. My Inspired is taking far too long to build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_! Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) Because to ride without brakes is more dangerous, so it's more exciting. To ride Brakeless with brakes would be the easy way Edited July 5, 2011 by G_! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarf Shortage Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Proper brakeless looks a lot cleaner, but there's definitely something different about riding with a brake but not using it. Probably something to do with what Luke said about having it as a safety net and not committing, but if you have a brake, if you're going too fast you drag it and slow down a little, but without a brake the only options are a cheeky footscrape, or learn to control your speed and deal with it, which aids smoothness and looks a lot better. I've ridden BMX brakeless since I can remember, mostly due to having a gyro which I didn't have a clue how to maintain and soon ripped it off, then didn't want to put money into a shit bike so I kept it without. Then I just got used to it and preferred it, and then it became 'cool' and 'scene' and shit a few years later. Tried explaining the appeal of brakeless countless times to my dad + brother in law, never got anywhere. The world's a lot more unpredictable too, there's this slightly downhill road which leads on to a main road which I go down all the time, went down it the other day and pumped a little too fast, took the corner far too quick and ended up flying off my bike into the main road and suppose I could've died if the car was any closer. Fit bird helped me up though, so it's all good. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Mallinson Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 As said, you commit to things alot more because you can't stop yourself from doing it. Unlike brakeless BMX where you don't really need a brake, its just for stopping, obviously in trials most moves depend on them but when you take them off you rely alot more of your drivetrain and hopping ability, there are less correction hops and you learn to roll and land things on both wheels which is an advantage if you go back to brakes. When I went back to brakes I found that hopping up stuff became harder because I just chickened out when I got to the hopping bit but now they are off I feel alot more confident doing spins and going up stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Deathgrip is nothing like taking your brakes off, and the only way to understand is to try it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundy9 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 because stopping if for people who dont want to jump that car coming towards them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georg Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 i was riding brakeless for a while some months back, and the benefits of it is that when im trying to bunnyjump up a concrete edge that has a small oblique angle, i can roll up the last 10-20cm smooth and it looks like its done without any effort. but with brakes i find that i easily press my rearbrake lever , that leads to a squeeky noice and failing to jump up.. The main difference is probably that if somethings goes wrong if you have the brake on while "riding brakeless" with brakes is you WILL use it if something is becoming "out of control" Brakeless is probably the funniest "modification" i have done to my bikes in all my years riding, but put my brakes on again because i enjoy all the things i need it for:) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filo Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 i found riding without any brakes installed make you a better rider,you have to commit to every move more and it makes you bike positioning much better,less room for error i enjoyed riding brakeless,and still ride brakeless these days, i remove myh brakes every few weeks to keen it fun. the main think i noticed riding brakeless then using brakes is that you dont brake check or use you brakes as often,only when you need to. it make your riding smoother and more exciting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topsy Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Surely riding brakeless with brakes on the bike trains your brain and your discipline trying not to touch the levers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilley Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 For me it is all about building bikes in different ways and the fun that comes from that. Of course you can ride any bike brakeless, just like you can ride your mountain bike single speed by not changing gears. However when you set up a trials bike brakeless or an XC bike single speed it changes the way you ride. Whether that is for better or worse is a personal preference but I reckon the variety is always fun. I had my Inspired Hex brakeless when I first got it, now I have brakes on it. Changing from brakes to brakeless makes it feel like a completely different bike even when all the other parts stay the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 If you have to ask then you'll never know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arw_86 Posted July 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 If you have to ask then you'll never know. useful answer, in discussion form. good effort. 2/10 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 I bet I can score 1/10. 'Why Are Brakeless Bikes Brakeless?' Because they don't have brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arw_86 Posted July 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 I bet I can score 1/10. 'Why Are Brakeless Bikes Brakeless?' Because they don't have brakes. unlucky, that's a 3/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 useful answer, in discussion form. good effort. 2/10 Total absence of a summary of your thoughts on peoples answers to your question so far. Not enough effort at all. See me afterwards. F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Kinky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 useful answer, in discussion form. good effort. 2/10 Actually if you took the time to open your minuscule little micron of a mind you'd realise my response actually tells you everything you need to know. Please don't mistake what i said as flippant and dismissive, it was actually a very accurate comment that sums up the reason why people (who have done this) ride brakeless. It's a mindset, for those who are curious and looking to expand on their skill set, general riding experience and knowledge of bike control. If you yourself have not been curious enough to try it for yourself then i truly don't think it's for you - therefore to refer back to my comment - it makes perfect sense. The reasons are really quite obvious and do not need answering - if you cannot come up with the answers yourself, then you are not really looking for them. I don't think riding brakeless (while not blowing it out of proportional as to what it truly is) is something that can be explained simply, or proficiently with words alone. It's an experience, it's physical, something you'll only ever understand if you do it. Reading my comments or others experience of it will matter to such a little degree that they are virtually pointless. From someone who has done it (as i was curious enough to find out) i only understood it once i started riding, and i'm not going to waste either of our time trying to explain it to you. It's much like sex - all the talk in the world don't mean squat when you first find out for yourself. So before getting all uppity and prissy about what i said, have a read and think what it was i was really saying. The answers you seek (if you want them) are just outside your front door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 the whole brakeless thing is 'cool' these days. If it's just 'these days', why are there videos/photos of people riding brakeless 3 years or so ago? I'd say it was possibly even more popular a year ago when everyone first tried it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Actually if you took the time to open your minuscule little micron of a mind you'd realise my response actually tells you everything you need to know. Please don't mistake what i said as flippant and dismissive, it was actually a very accurate comment that sums up the reason why people (who have done this) ride brakeless. It's a mindset, for those who are curious and looking to expand on their skill set, general riding experience and knowledge of bike control. If you yourself have not been curious enough to try it for yourself then i truly don't think it's for you - therefore to refer back to my comment - it makes perfect sense. The reasons are really quite obvious and do not need answering - if you cannot come up with the answers yourself, then you are not really looking for them. I don't think riding brakeless (while not blowing it out of proportional as to what it truly is) is something that can be explained simply, or proficiently with words alone. It's an experience, it's physical, something you'll only ever understand if you do it. Reading my comments or others experience of it will matter to such a little degree that they are virtually pointless. From someone who has done it (as i was curious enough to find out) i only understood it once i started riding, and i'm not going to waste either of our time trying to explain it to you. It's much like sex - all the talk in the world don't mean squat when you first find out for yourself. So before getting all uppity and prissy about what i said, have a read and think what it was i was really saying. The answers you seek (if you want them) are just outside your front door. Bollocks. Saying "if you have to ask you'll never know" is not a reply, it's just you saying you're not going to even try and explain it. If you'd said, "It's different, you have to try it to understand really", that would be an answer. Refusing to answer doesn't tell anyone anything. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) I'm sorry you failed to understand what i said, but i have explained it and i think it wise not to accuse anything and everything you fail to understand as 'bollocks'. Also i never refused to answer, my original comment was the answer. And technically saying "if you have to ask then you'll never know" is very much a reply - that's actually exactly 100% what it is. It has absolutely no reference or truth to what you said: "it's just you saying you're not going to even try and explain it." So to surmise, i gave an original answer (adequate enough for those willing to think) then retorted with an explanation (unnecessary i feel) for those who failed to understand my original comment, and yet you're still puzzled. So explanation and answer were both given which makes your reply about being bollocks totally invalid. My answer was just not in the traditional TF manner - It's different, you have to try it to understand really Edited July 6, 2011 by Matthew62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Get out more. lol 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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