Azarathal Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Heya guys, I've got an Echo TR 2010 hub and an Onza comp 2010 frame. I've put a spacer on the axle to push the frame out a bit but the left hand pad still rubs the disc quite a bit. This means it has to bend the disc over when braking and gives a horrible, spongy feel and my brake has absolutely no backwards hold. I also have the same problem with my old frame Zhi Z3. Is this a problem with the hub or it is simply these two frames giving me a pain in the arse? Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Guessing your using no shims? Getting ur frame faced should help, but pictures would be more useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbarr Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Heya guys, I've got an Echo TR 2010 hub and an Onza comp 2010 frame. I've put a spacer on the axle to push the frame out a bit but the left hand pad still rubs the disc quite a bit. This means it has to bend the disc over when braking and gives a horrible, spongy feel and my brake has absolutely no backwards hold. I also have the same problem with my old frame Zhi Z3. Is this a problem with the hub or it is simply these two frames giving me a pain in the arse? Cheers. Had the same problem on the front. I tried spacing the wheel out with washers but that didn't work great. Tonight I put washers on the caliper bolts (on the inside of the fork/frame) and it worked perfectly. Sorry, that doesn't make much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezgonzo Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 what brake are you using?, hope mono trial?, if it is a hope caliper your using, then you need to use shims ( thin washers ) between the frame and caliper to line it up properly, here's a link for the shims My link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 (edited) Thanks guys but I don't think you understood properly. The LEFT hand pad is constantly rubbing, adding shims would make it even worse. Edit* Mono Trials - Monty Edition. Edited June 14, 2011 by Azarathal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Thanks guys but I don't think you understood properly. The LEFT hand pad is constantly rubbing, adding shims would make it even worse. Edit* Mono Trials - Monty Edition. D/w, i figured that out Did you use the same hub on your other frame? if so, id say its ur hub causing it, how much more can u space it out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie East Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Pretty sure that frame has 110mm spacing as opposed to 116, as it doesn't use snail cams. Whereas the hub is designed for 116mm spacing, dont think it'll work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I used this hub in my old frame and it had exactly the same problem. You're saying I need to try space the frame out 3mm on the disc side? Is this safe to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam T Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 When i ran DD on it i had no problems, was running an Onza hub too if thats any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 When i ran DD on it i had no problems, was running an Onza hub too if thats any help. It's most likely the hub, got it at a bargain price of £20 too and I've just spent £420ish on computer parts so I'm skint atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I used this hub in my old frame and it had exactly the same problem. You're saying I need to try space the frame out 3mm on the disc side? Is this safe to do? Yeh, it'll be fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Yeh, it'll be fine! Cheers, I'll wait for a couple more people giving the go ahead before I do it, I've previously heard that it stresses the frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezgonzo Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 (edited) Thanks guys but I don't think you understood properly. The LEFT hand pad is constantly rubbing, adding shims would make it even worse. Edit* Mono Trials - Monty Edition. my bad should of read the op in more detail :$ , as for spacing the frame out, it should have little to no effect regarding stressing your frame, in theory your only pushing the dropouts 1.5mm out on both sides, my maggy flexed my frame that much if not more than that when i used it without a booster so you while be fine, it's not ideal and it's a bit of a bodge but it won't harm. (on a side note what sort of rig you running, got a corsa hx1000w psu sitting on me desk doing nothing, it's only been used a handfull of times in my benching rig, if your interested just drop us a pm ). Edited June 14, 2011 by ezgonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 my bad should of read the op in more detail :$ , as for spacing the frame out, it should have little to no effect regarding stressing your frame, in theory your only pushing the dropouts 1.5mm out on both sides, my maggy flexed my frame that much if not more than that when i used it without a booster so you while be fine, it's not ideal and it's a bit of a bodge but it won't harm. (on a side note what sort of rig you running, got a corsa hx1000w psu sitting on me desk doing nothing, it's only been used a handfull of times in my benching rig, if your interested just drop us a pm ). 2500k i5, going to OC to 4.5ghz with a 212+ cooler. 4gb 1600mhz 7-8-7-20 ram Cheapish £100 mobo Keeping my old HD4890 from my current rig NZXT M59 case. I've got a 950w cheap psu atm, not sure it'll handle OC'ing that well, I'll drop a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbarr Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I assume it would be okay to run one of onza's rear disc hubs in a 110mm onza frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I assume it would be okay to run one of onza's rear disc hubs in a 110mm onza frame? I'm completely skint. Just blagged £40 off my uncle so I can buy 40kg worth of Olly plates, now I'm in debt too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbarr Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I'm completely skint. Just blagged £40 off my uncle so I can buy 40kg worth of Olly plates, now I'm in debt too haha! I was kind of asking for myself really, as I'm thinking about going rear disc, and I'm riding an onza frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Well think about it now, ur hub is 110mm, ur frame is 116mm, so ur stressing it by streaching it in. If you space ur hub out to 116mm (which is what ur ment to do when you dont run snail cams) it'll fit in the frame perfectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Well think about it now, ur hub is 110mm, ur frame is 116mm, so ur stressing it by streaching it in. If you space ur hub out to 116mm (which is what ur ment to do when you dont run snail cams) it'll fit in the frame perfectly The onza frame is 110mm and the hub is also 110mm. Most frames are 116mm and hubs 110mm, this is because each snailcam is 3mm thick and spaces the hub out to 116mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Shim out the frame/hub more? them frames are really strong so i doubt it will crack it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezgonzo Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 (edited) nice setup there, was going to jump on the sandybridge bandwagon but decided to give benching a rest for a bit and get back into trials, so sold off must of my gear but kept the i7 setup which consist's of. 980X (ONE CORE IS KNACKERED DUE TO BENCHING SO WILL ONLY RUN ON 5 CORES 10 THREADS). GIGABYTE X58A-UD7 6GB G-SKILL PII 1600MHZ 6-8-6-20 ASUS GTX 295 150GB VELOCIRAPTOR CORSAR HX850W PSU LIAN LI V2000 the best oc i've had out of the 980x is 4.7 under phase cooling it was only bench stable though, i've had the rig for less than a year and it's already considered old tech such is the way that tech moves so quickly. in regards too your psu i would strongly recommmend getting a decent branded one asap especially if your going to oc, it could save you a load of money in the long run. also if you need any help or pointer's regarding oc'in your rig just drop us a pm, also a site called benchtec is a great place for info. (soz to all for going off topic some what). Edited June 14, 2011 by ezgonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Off topics fine Sounds like you've got a solid rig. Ever heard of "lapping" your processor and heatsink? Should shave between 5-10c off both idle and load temps. In regards to my problem, am I right in saying all I need to do is space it with a snail cam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted June 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Bump, added a snailcam AND an extra spacer to the disc side and its still off. Going to get my frame faced and then post back. Thinking of getting rid of my dual hopes and going dual bb7, anyone rode with a rear bb7? Not too flexy or anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) Mine still does this. I've spaced it out and ground the BB7 adapter down so that it shouldn't do it but it's as if the disk is at an angle so when I pull my brake instead of the pad coming out, it simply bends the disk into the other pad. Really spongy at the lever. I think I'd be able to sort it out somehow but not sure how. lol. edit: comp 2010 frame and rear bb7. Edited June 29, 2011 by dann2707 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted June 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 I've got a comp frame and rear Monty edition Hope. You need to set the non-moving pad as close to the disc as possible without rubbing, or if you cba to get it perfect then have it rubbing a tiny amount. Then set cable tension. Problem with a hope is that I cant set each pad distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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