DeVal Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Fries with that? don't forget the shake or ill let your manager know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukasMcNeal Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 riding with his dad. Looks like his bloody enjoying it don't he! I mean who doesn't want to be forced and told to go go go? Hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Wait ive realised the problem here.... Bloody americans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 My main criticism was calling it training, you consider yourself to be training him to be some sort of professional MX or trials rider? Sounds like one of those 'living through your kids' situations to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolm smith Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I am fairly done with this conversation. I have no intentions of being in a pissing match. To me Bicycle Trials are a game, training for other sports, although it may become a sport in the future if lots of young kids come into it. No sport will do well with those that enter it being in their late teens or twenties. You need very young people to learn and make a sport. Until bicycle trials has a bunch of kids like Charlie Rolls it is not much of a sport it is a recreational sport. That does not mean it is not cool just not a serious sport. As for the American comments this is the way I see it. First our true interest is MX. Every European racer dreams of riding and racing in the USA. All of your English racers dream of making it here. Even your young kids come here to race our big amateur events. Every great MX racer started at 3 4 and 5. Our first championship class is 4 to 6. All those kids train and train hard. Most of them have private tracks. Remember our USA team kills the world in the MX Des Nations every year. If you want your sport to grow you need to dream of lots and lots of little kids like Malcolm. Until then it will be a sport of guys in their 20s, 30s and 40s that wish they had the skills Charlie Rolls has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 If you want your sport to grow you need to dream of lots and lots of little kids like Malcolm. Until then it will be a sport of guys in their 20s, 30s and 40s that wish they had the skills Charlie Rolls has. Hahahahahaha oh my god, remove your cranium from your anus, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 No sport will do well with those that enter it being in their late teens or twenties. You need very young people to learn and make a sport. lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt.price Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 ever heard of JUST doing stuff for fun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echoteam9484 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 im in the middle here, Hes the father he can do what he whats,with in reason. he wants his kid to do well in life and make no regrets.....fair enough but then again theres a time and a place to way wow easy up now,slow down a littles.Hes only four. its pretty cool but yeah maybe focus focus focus him on one sport not all of them get him to pedal pedal pedal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agram Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 His piano teacher says he needs more work on focus. i guess everyone has their own thoughts on kids. He practices, piano, golf and bikes 2 times a day each. He has mommy and daddy and grandpa, teaching him while other kids are in day care. Everyone must do what thy do. We choose to keep him busy. U CHOOSE to keep him buisy?? wtf? does he ever get to b a kid and choose for himself if he wants to play or whatever?and yeah, he could have gotten some encuragement instead of "GO!;GO!;GO! My main criticism was calling it training, you consider yourself to be training him to be some sort of professional MX or trials rider? Sounds like one of those 'living through your kids' situations to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam n Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Charlie Rolls Who the F**K is Charlie Rolls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam n Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Charlie Rolls Who the F**K is Charlie Rolls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukasMcNeal Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 This kids 4 he should be playing with play dough! </thread> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I have an image in my head of you in the 1970s pushing your kid into rapids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Hang on, not making him train every day doesn't essentially mean sit inside in front of a playstation. My 3 yr old rides a bike but if he's tired he has time to chill out and relax, be it playing with his toys inside, playing in the garden or sandpit with his diggers or even watching a bit of TV if he's really tired. His other time is at nursery school (not daycare, a pre cursor to junior school) where he gets to interact with other children and grow as himself. I'd hate to force him to do stuff he doesn't want, he likes trials as he wants to "get a big bike with no seat like daddy and jump off walls" and when the time comes if he's still interested he can have a go but if he's not I wouldn't force him to do it, nor would I choose a selection of hobbies and interests he's going to do and force him to practice them. Bit random but that's my opinion, I'm with JD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 sandpit with his diggers Can we have a play date??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam n Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 "get a big bike with no seat like daddy and jump off walls" I WANT ONE LIKE THAT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooltrials Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I wonder how old this kid will be before he's allowed to live his own life? Or maybe his dad will always be there, even when he's hanging out the back of some cheerleader, yelling "go go go ! " 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 It's a good point you bring up about how many youngsters are in american sports from a very young age. It all stems from commercialisation of sport - i.e. someone extraordinary comes along, wins everything going in a 'pretend' sport (like ours clearly is to you) and attracts the attention of companies who want to support/exploit them. Then someone works really hard and gets to the next level, then someone works harder and gets to the level above that, then someone starts younger and works just as hard and gets to the next level and so on and so forth. What you end up with is a bunch of kids doing something far too young because Daddy either wants them to be the best, or to earn a load of money as their 'manager'. Just because a shit load of people are doing it, does it make it right? There's a f**k load of dumb, fat Americans out there as well as all the ones who do well - should we aspire to that too just because of the sheer number of them? In fact, I'm sure rapists have their dark little holes of the internet where they have competitions - should I raise a child in such a way that they can be the 'best' at that? f**k off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agram Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 the hole situation of that kid reminds me of the little 4yo girls in those american "beauty pageants" that looks SO sad.. anyone seen that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 the hole situation of that kid reminds me of the little 4yo girls in those american "beauty pageants" that looks SO sad.. anyone seen that? and we all know how the 'vote for my baby thread' turned out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Or that Russian girl who does power lifts and given tic-tacs as rewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) also...brings about almost a nature/nurture debate in terms of sporting elitism (where it seems YOU are clearly going for) what makes you so sure you have chosen the activities that the lad has the best potential in? its not like you seem to provide many open opportunities in any other areas...will he not realise his full potential unless he starts off at such a young age? how are you going to feel if his potential peaks at a relatively low level? perhaps he wont have the frame of type of body/muscle buildup to perform to the same level of the pro riders? perhaps he has the potential to become a world class endurance athlete or some other unrelated sport? yes...obviously alot (but NOT all!) sportsmen and women have started thier activity from a very young age, but i think you fail in grasping the vast number who started at a young age got nowhere. on another note, those people will have started in the majority of cases through an inherent enjoyment from that particular activity. receive encouragement yes, but you are a father and not a coach. a coach is an additional person, there at the desired request of the person playing the sport etc Edited June 11, 2011 by chris4stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 you need to dream of lots and lots of little kids Almost sig-worthy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsIsHard Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) This makes me angry! Not only is it almost torturous for the child. Saying he enjoys it,ok maybe he does. But do you as his father enjoy pushing him to his physical limit twice a day?! and shouting "GO, GO, GO" at him because he has stopped or has done what is asked of him? When that child grows up, (if his body lasts that long). I think there's a high chance he will not take these sports much further, because of the memories of doing them. Support the child as you may, but forcing him do it twice a day is just sick! Edit: Also I'd like to see his face under that full face helmet. When he looked over his shoulder, was he over the moon? I think not, he's probably bright red in the face and absolutely knackered. Edited June 12, 2011 by TrialsIsHard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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