TrialsMan Dan Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Oreet guys, after riding a few comps ive decided a longer frame is what im needing to make stuff a bit easier, the pure street set up im running at the moment wont cut it if i want to progress that bit further. Despite this i still want to be able to stick with the creative/spinny street riding i enjoy and it seems there are no 24" aluminium frames on the market which suit my needs. The only option is to contact Marino to get exactly what i want. Im currently riding an Ashton Effect which has the following geo: 1035 WB 380 CS +30 BB 72 deg HA For a new frame im thinking along the lines of: 1045 WB 370-380 CS +45 BB 72 or 73 deg HA Few questions first off; if i kept the same CS length of the Ashton, how much would raising the BB by 10-15mm affect how the bike is on the rear wheel? Personally i find shorter chainstays easier on the initial hop but doesnt stay so balanced when staying on the rear wheel. Also would i just keep the same 560mm (22") length of the top tube or would i benefit from having a slightly longer reach? Final question is where is the gusseting most effective on a steel frame compared to an alu one? Any help appreciated! Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Isn't this close enough? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 How do you find the reach of the Ashton? A slightly shorter or higher rear will make things a little more trialsy, and then adapt the front end to give the reach you want If you're looking at going for a custom steel frame don't forget Wip - Pete's really keen to help riders out and has plenty of experience working to help match a frame to an individual rider's needs. Drop him an email an see what he can do, may well be just what you need! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsMan Dan Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Isn't this close enough? BB is still too low plus it looks god awful How do you find the reach of the Ashton? A slightly shorter or higher rear will make things a little more trialsy, and then adapt the front end to give the reach you want If you're looking at going for a custom steel frame don't forget Wip - Pete's really keen to help riders out and has plenty of experience working to help match a frame to an individual rider's needs. Drop him an email an see what he can do, may well be just what you need! The reach isnt too bad, i have a 90*25 deg stem on there, but i may benefit from a slightly longer reach, im about 5' 9" and if im riding all day i do tend to ache for a while, maybe a couple more mm would just be enough. What if i went for a +45 bb and 375 chainstays? Yeah cool i'll check out Wip but i supect they will be more expensive due to being alu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 If you shorten the rear and leave the wheelbase the same the reach will increase a tad 1040/5 would give a decent compromise between more trialsy geo an keeping it street though. Wip uses Reynolds steel, so vette quality stuff than Marino. Slightly more expensive for materials yes, but you don't get struck with a fairly hefty shipping charge on top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 BB is still too low plus it looks god awful You do realise you're riding an Effect? Hmm... You're a big boy Dan, and by big I mean tall. This should really mean you should be getting with the big boys and riding a 26 for comps. To be fair, all you would need to do to your Ashton to make it more ridable for comps is... Sort out your god awfull brakes, a lighter gear, a longer possibly higher stem and a set of non street tyres. At the end of the day the lighter your bike is the better. Getting a steel frame made up is only going to make it more difficult for you. Theres loads of decent 26's out there you would suit and they would feel so much more comfortable to ride for your size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 At the end of the day the lighter your bike is the better. Getting a steel frame made up is only going to make it more difficult for you. Not when they come out at 1.6 kg or so Agree that a 26" could be the way to go if you fancy a proper change though, so it depends on whether you want to keep the streety side of things there too really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Mallinson Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Why not put brakes on your other Ashton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Why not put brakes on Ross' old Ashton? Cos the mounts are f**ked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Mallinson Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Cos the mounts are f**ked. Ahh that could be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsMan Dan Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 You do realise you're riding an Effect? Hmm... You're a big boy Dan, and by big I mean tall. This should really mean you should be getting with the big boys and riding a 26 for comps. To be fair, all you would need to do to your Ashton to make it more ridable for comps is... Sort out your god awfull brakes, a lighter gear, a longer possibly higher stem and a set of non street tyres. At the end of the day the lighter your bike is the better. Getting a steel frame made up is only going to make it more difficult for you. Theres loads of decent 26's out there you would suit and they would feel so much more comfortable to ride for your size. Shu'up it looks beast! i may need to get used to 26" again i feel pretty comfortable on 24 i get on my XC bike and yes i know its a bad comparison but it feels so damn clumsy. Had a go on Johny's Limey and i felt good on that i think if it had a slightly shorter stem it would have been ideal but then again its downfall is being good for street. Ohii my brakes are fine just need a water bleed yeno i'll try a 17t sprocket on there soon as well. 'Bar and stem wise i'll try running my bars further forward for more reach. Not when they come out at 1.6 kg or so Agree that a 26" could be the way to go if you fancy a proper change though, so it depends on whether you want to keep the streety side of things there too really. HexHexHexHexHexHex? Cos the mounts are f**ked. Too true its going for a respray soon as well so goodbye retro graphics and raw finish that appears to have been sat outside in a storm for a week and hello rowan johns replica in glossy emo black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 A jack of all trades will never be a master of all... Why not keep riding the effect for both for now while you build up a comp specific bike? I know it's more cash, but it's the better decision long term... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Too true its going for a respray soon as well so goodbye retro graphics and raw finish that appears to have been sat outside in a storm for a week and hello rowan johns replica in glossy emo black. Dude, what did I say? I will let you borrow the frame. Its not yours to paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsMan Dan Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Dude, what did I say? I will let you borrow the frame. Its not yours to paint. Damn -.- well i did offer some pennies for it lol. Hopefully i'll be out on it soon i just need 'bars and a front wheel, possibly a stem too but i'll see what its like with some high risers on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevind Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 (edited) Damn -.- well i did offer some pennies for it lol. Hopefully i'll be out on it soon i just need 'bars and a front wheel, possibly a stem too but i'll see what its like with some high risers on it. Dan you can borrow my Limey for Glasgow if you want to try a 26 in comps. Have Onza not brought out a PRO Zoot frame for this year? Edited June 10, 2011 by kevind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Have Onza not brought out a PRO Zoot frame for this year? Whats your point caller? Dan, Id ride Kevs onzo... As long as you dont paint the stem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsMan Dan Posted June 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Dan you can borrow my Limey for Glasgow if you want to try a 26 in comps. Have Onza not brought out a PRO Zoot frame for this year? Thanks Kev! I'll give it a shot see how i feel, Johny's bike felt good to me so i'll take you up on that offer. The one thing i gotta get used to on comp style bike is the high bb, kinda feels like im 'ontop' of the bike and stretched forward, i think its because of me coming from a mountain bike background im used to low bb's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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