Scott Gibbs Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 lmao and some people wonder why trials is dead you may aswell just do parkour in a carbon fibre suit and go all out stupid, all people care about these days is how much weight they can save and how small the frame can get no matter how stupid they look *sigh* What like the phase downhillers went through a few years ago wearing all in one lycra catsuits and taking the peaks off their helmets to shave off a few tenths of a second! Its not just Trials where people go to silly lengths to make something/someone faster/lighter. But like has been said trials NEEDS innovation so thisframe could be good news if Mike has done his sums right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'scoolfool Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 (edited) Lighter = higher/further siddles/gaps. Lower = More tuckage fo siddles/gaps etc. Explain to me how that makes trials dead, yes? In my book thats forward Progress... bigger doesnt make you better if its the bike thats making it easier and sorry lads but this is a forum and not everyone has to hump the leg of the thread all opinions are allowed, i hate all modern frame im not hating on this in particualar i give props from a design point of view i just dont like it Edited May 28, 2011 by old'scoolfool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukasMcNeal Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 This is amazing it could kill all other frames! Imagine if you wanted to change geo all you would have to do is post in wanted : +60 BB piece wanted etc. If this worked theoretically you would never have to buy another frame again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsalot Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 I like the concept but the rest i'm just not sure how it will work.If adjustability is one of the main selling points it needs more revision. Take for example the chainstays.Replace these with shorter or longer then you change the angles of the seatstays,by doing that then you end up with an issue as to how the tubes fit in the clamps. It set off like a chain reaction of problems.The clamping of the carbon tubes too,I think if an insert was at the ends of the tubes it'd work. I think if the above problems were sorted you'd have a hellishly good comp frame with the ability to tune it for specific terrain.Hellish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I really like the idea, but i can see breaking and replacing downtubes (and probably chainstays) getting pretty expensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Sounds like you're missing the point. The idea is, if you break a tube, you swap it, and if you want to change the geometry, you have means to. I can't see how it's possible to change the geometry by just installing shorter/longer tubes. You'd need to replace the connecting bits too which essentially means replacing most of the frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Ok, correct me if I'm wrong but if that frame would make it into production, surely it would not be light. So I'm not sure weight could be a selling point, especially with all the light Koxx's and the recent 1.2kg Echo stock frame. Frames in trials are getting more and more disposable - ride it a bit, break it, get something else. I'm all for this design and find all the negativity in this topic rather juvenile - if you guys don't like progress and innovation then just stick with the Pure frame which is essentially a few straight tubes welded together. But if it weren't for people who are trying to make something new you'd still be grinding the seat clamps off your so called trials frames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I can't see how it's possible to change the geometry by just installing shorter/longer tubes. You'd need to replace the connecting bits too which essentially means replacing most of the frame. Curved tubes I've been watching this all through the design and build stages. This is in the prototype stage and a massive amount of effort has been put in on mikes part to follow this idea through and just try something new. The quoted picture is a late stage render and mk1 is very similar to it. Although i won't give away all the surprises, i'll say it is something i'm quite looking forward to seeing rolled out. I'm sure mike will drop in at some point to answer some questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 It's good to see that all the surveys and questions Mike has been asking on here are actually leading to something real and not just a pipedream. Also good to see some of the things people have suggested getting tried out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 I can't see how it's possible to change the geometry by just installing shorter/longer tubes. You'd need to replace the connecting bits too which essentially means replacing most of the frame. It's true but it's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroMatt Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) Pretty awesome concept. Would be cool to see some decent road/mtb standards coming over to trials too. Something like the Praxis Works M35/BB30 could really solve a lot of issues with standard ISIS bb systems. Edited May 31, 2011 by ZeroMatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Dunstan Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Awesome, can't wait to see how this goes. No need to beat down on someone for having a negative opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Potentially, how light is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topsy Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) I'd gladly test it! (I may still be a beginner, but not a bashy one at all) ;D Also, I'd probably buy it!( probably = price question) Looks awesome. Edited June 2, 2011 by Hopping_Topsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Noticed Phatmike was kicking about on the forum earlier and thought (read-hoped) he'd say summat on here about it but no such luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmike Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Answers to some Q's in this thread: www.trials-forum.co.uk/topic/169343-phrame-by-phatworks/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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