Little Yoshi Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 IM planning on getting a new bike. Not a brand spanking new bike mind but a decent 2nd hand one. Had a Sherco .02 200 before and it went like a tank. very little went wrong with it. ( Mr hail fixed the clutch bydaway. Just had to do a diff way of the way you were doing it. but thanks for giving it a polish!). So I'm leaning towords a Sherco again. But open to others. Thinking of getting a bigger bike 250-300 style this time round. So any advice on what I should go for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbarr Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 I recently got a new gas gas 125 2010 and it feels great. I can't really compare it to my old sherco as it was only an 80. The gasser feels really light and has loads of bottom end power. I'm sure other bikes are really good as well but I would say a gas gas is a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Yamaha TY250R. Had mine for 5 years, had a TY250S before that and a TY175 before that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Yoshi Posted April 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I said newer...Not something my dad was on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo!Man Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I said newer...Not something my dad was on! What about the new Ossa? A few days ago I saw one in the flesh and it has quality finishes and details (in terms of aesthetics at least), they are growing with Fajardo and a good few riders have that bike with no complaints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Yoshi Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Will have to look in to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I said newer...Not something my dad was on! Can I get a "Man up!"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Will have to look in to them. Hope you have £6k for one of those bad boys..... Generally id say get a Beta. Evo's are amazing but the slightly older rev3's are good when ridden in an novice/intermediate route. Ive never liked GasGas (always a Beta guy)but I picked one up last year in spotless condition and im loving it! Although be warned, newer Gasgas and sherco punish bad maintenance! So if you do.... look after it!! If you want a truly buy and forget bike, look for a decent Montesa 315r (250cc). They have the Honda engines and will live forever! Other parts like suspention bits ect are very expensive. Scorpa's are great if you get on with them. They have a very "soft" type of ride and are very forgiving, Yamaha engines, very bombproof!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo!Man Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I do agree with trialsmax04 about the 315r, '97 to '04 versions are quite similar and I never heard a problem. From my own experience, my dad has a '01 Sherco 290, nowadays it's still perfect and it has had only minor problems, nothing too expensive. I definitely recommend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Can I get a "Man up!"? Only you then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Looks that way. I'm a massive old bike fag. I've been riding long, heavy TYs since I was 14 and couldn't start them, (too short to get my foot on the kickstart lever), so when I go on a light, modern bike my riding style is completely unsuitable, never ends well. <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Yoshi Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Can I get a "Man up!"? Used to have one though so back down. Scorpa's are great if you get on with them. They have a very "soft" type of ride and are very forgiving, Yamaha engines, very bombproof!! Are they not out of buisness? And heard the 250's were underpowered. I do agree with trialsmax04 about the 315r, '97 to '04 versions are quite similar and I never heard a problem. From my own experience, my dad has a '01 Sherco 290, nowadays it's still perfect and it has had only minor problems, nothing too expensive. I definitely recommend it. Had a 02 and looking for a newer bike. But thanks anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 How about an 08-09 Sherco 250/290, they are realy nice looking and riding bikes, a mate of mine has one now, feels very similar to the new shercos! Other than that I agree with max that Beta's tend to be a good reliable bike! Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo!Man Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Are they not out of buisness? And heard the 250's were underpowered. Sherco bought Scorpa company after they went bankrupt. New Scorpa bikes are supossed to be better, now they come with an orange finish and some other improvement bits: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Sherco bought Scorpa company after they went bankrupt. New Scorpa bikes are supossed to be better, now they come with an orange finish and some other improvement bits: I had a read of the T-MX review of the new scorpa, they rate it very highly!Sherco engine is realy good and apparently, although still a linkless rear suspension setup it is massively improved! Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I rode an 06 Scorpa 250 (There all pretty much the same from 2001-2008) at a trial once when I drowned my Beta. I wouldnt ever say that there underpowered. But is is a differnt type of power than an "average" bike and I found them a bit fluffy. Now that statement is obviously flawed, as Joe Baker and numerous other experts manage to make them work well. Compared the Scorpa to my GasGas 250 and the Gasgas is much more of a handfull. The power is snappy and could get you into trouble if used wrongly. But again that statement is flawed, due to 99% of the time all bikes feel differnt due to set up, or lack of it! Bottom line, go to a trial and ask to try some bikes. If your looking for an easy ride with little/ no maintenance (although, maintenance is key on any bike) look for a Scorpa or Montesa. If your happy with spending a few hours on your bike then look at the one that you suit best when you have a little go. Gasgas are fairly snappy. Sherco's pull well, but like the gasser's punish bad maintenance. Beta's are renowned for being very "planted" which makes them good bikes. When buying one look for oil on the rear shock stanchion. This is a sign of the seals gone, meaning they will need to be re-done immediately to prevent further damage (Beta UK - only place that do this, around £100. Im a firm believer in good maintenance however and will still stress that this is key on all of them to be good bikes. Keep the suspension bearings lubes with good grease every few months (or less) to save on a yearly £200 pay out on bearings. Clean the carb regulary or when needed. Clean the air filter every time out. Pressure wash the chain (yes you are reading this right!) after a ride. Then after washing thoroughly spray with WD40/GT85 to get rid of the water. Then use a good quality chain lube. Change the gear oil around 5-6 outings (more if beta or montessa). Some say every outing but that is over-kill. After washing spray GT85 on the fork stanchions and rear shock. This lubes the seals and makes them last longer. Use a good quality two stroke oil (VITAL!). Castrol TTS, Poutoline MX5/MX7, Ipone, Silkoline. Nothing cheap, it really is a silly thing to do. Happy days If you buy from ebay, please look at the bike before stumping up the cash. Its surprising how easy it is to make one look good in the photos! (all this post isnt slating you or anything. Its just my tuppence worth on the subject, and as there are often topics on moto trials, thought it would be an idea to help everyone out!) Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Yoshi Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Cheers max for the help. And dont worry Been on bikes since I was about 5 and my Dads been on them since my age so we know that a quick polish and sprey wash can hide oli leaks and seal's going. Can you try and explain what you mean about the power in the Scorpa? Can you try and explain against the Sherco? Thanks for all the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) The Scorpa's (at least the ones I have ridden) have had a reasonably fluffy type power. This combined with the suspension setup (linkless rear shock, linear feel, almost spongey) gives a very forgiving ride, although must be set up with a touch more damping to settle the bike. The Betas and most other bikes I have ridden have more of a progressive feel, where you wont feel them bottom out as such. Beta's set up soft track lovely and grip well. Sherco's have a harsh type of power which seams to rip your arms off. Now this is not applicable for all sherco's (as all bikes) as they can be geared lower to be more forgiving. The high torque of the sherco motor has a tendency to break grip easy. Depending on preference, a fly wheel weight and a slow throttle can be added here. You will find a bike that suits you when you ride it. The Beta's are great and I loved my 07 125. However I found the suspension design (upright linkless) was almost too clever for its own good. Im a fair size lad 13 stone, and blew the seals on my shock 3 times in two years. But having said that there are no linkage bearings to worry about (like the scorpa), but the Rev3 rear end is far superior to the Scorpa in my opinion. Sherco's are great, and I have tried to give an honest opinion. They work well for loads of people, but there just not my cup of tea. Edited April 14, 2011 by trialsmax04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Yoshi Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Fluffy like takes a while to build up? Used to the power of a Sherco. Sorry for all the questions. But only really been on a Sherco. Brother has a 06 raga replica gasgas but only had a 5 min blast on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Fluffy is hard to define I spose im getting at its perhaps not as responsive or as clean revving as the others. The engine tends to over-run when you shut off a bit more than the others, so the bike lends itself to being ridden in one gear, by rolling the power on and off. But again, I cannot comment on the setups of the ones I have ridden. Never likes the non re-pack able exhaust on the sherco's and the Scorpa's either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Yoshi Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I think I would need to hop on one to see what its like . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Sorry dude, im not really helping much now. Its personal preferance. Try them and see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Yamaha TY250R. Had mine for 5 years, had a TY250S before that and a TY175 before that. Make that a TY175 Majesty, then your heading in the right direction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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