Aidan97 Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 im definetley going to use this in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) There's a reason hydraulic brakes are called hydraulic brakes, because they're supposed to have hydraulic fluid in them. If the are supposed to use water surely they would be called water brakes, think about it. hydraulics is the use of LIQUIDS, i.e water! *facepalm* edit, didnt see monkeyseemonkeydo's post :L hydraulic fluid (what ur refering to as dot 5, brake fluid) is completly different to majura blood. thats a thin, mineral oil. brake fluid will eat away at the seals, destroying them Edited April 5, 2011 by Martin Reynolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 The reason they have oil originally is because it has a much higher boiling point than water, and also has lubricant qualities. Don't forget that these aren't trials specific brakes! They're XC brakes. Riding down steep hills/cliffs/whatever and dragging the brakes will heat them up. - The last thing you'd want is for your fluid to boil over, and the brakes not work! Magura internals are plastic, so they don't corrode. Meaning that they don't really need lubricating as much as disc brakes, etc do. The pistons do go 'sticky' from time to time, but as said, a good service every now and then does them a world of good! Water is favoured amongst trials riders as; it's free, it has a much more responsive feel at the lever, it's free, it's not as messy to bleed with, it's free, it doesn't contaminate your rims/pads. Did I mention it's free? Just chill out, and get the facts straight before you go waving your arms in the air going mental! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 excally! Why don't tarty's reccomend water bleeds ? Because it's a stupid idea ? Yes. Why was proper hydraulic fluid invented ? Because it obviously works better than water. hydraulic fluid for what? car brakes? pneumatics? your talking about such a large variable. car brakes generate massive amounts of heat, which brake fluid is designed to take by haing a high boiling point. pneumatic fluid is designed not to compress under massive forces (tons). Hydraulic fluid was designed for specific hydraulic applications. magura brakes dont generate any heat, nore are there massive forces involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualjoe Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 I've came to a better conclusion let the retards who like to use water use water and let the normal people use hydraulic fluid. Note to self: If I notice Brads posts in the future, remember to brutally rip into them and demonstrate to everyone how inexperienced he is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
multi tasking male Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) I've came to a better conclusion let the retards who like to use water use water and let the normal people use hydraulic fluid. i guess you dont know that most top riders use water in maggys ? from reading all of this, both you and aiden are complete novices and have absolutely no idea what your talking about you will learn alot more in life if you listen to people with more knowledge, experiance and commone sense than you. would you say a water bleed is sh*-t if i told you that danny macaskill use to use a water bleed when he ran a rear maggy ? haha both of you, read around the forum and read just on this topic and you will realise most people on this forum use a water bleed and you two are infact the 'retards', abnormal, stupid and inexperianced people haha but back on topic, has your grind got a load of crap on it perhaps from putting the tire on ? very unlikely to cause such a lack of performance but if you have changed everything then i dont know what it could be has your grind gone dead ? chris Edited April 5, 2011 by multi tasking male 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Dear Brad, You are f**king retarded. Yours, Trials-Forum. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstein Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 hydraulic fluid (what ur refering to as dot 5, brake fluid) is completly different to majura blood. thats a thin, mineral oil. brake fluid will eat away at the seals, destroying them That was the point of my comment. Also magura blood is just a make of mineral oil, there is nothing special about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) As a matter of fact i have used water in my old hs33, tryed it out because i had no fluid. It didn't hold very well and felt wired because the water didnt pump around the system as well as hydraulic fluid, and caused my to fracture my wrist. That sounds more like a bad bleed. Lol, I'm imagining this guy riding his bike, and then the water JUMPS OUT OF HIS BRAKE, AND PUSHES HIM OFF A WALL. Shady character that water, keep well away from it. Edited April 5, 2011 by Revolver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Topics about water bleeds make me feel a kind of despondent hollowness that's almost indescribable. EDIT: One thing I would say is pretty interesting is how people with little to no experience of trials seem to be so vocal about water bleeds. You could put up a topic about, say, doing taps, rim grinding, how to set up certain parts, etc., and people with little/no experience won't really have much to say, but as soon as it comes to water bleeds it's 100% cast iron fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 wow, some pretty "special" comments going on here. If you don't know the facts or havn't tried something don't let your brain tell your hands to type such utter bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Topics about water bleeds make me feel a kind of despondent hollowness that's almost indescribable. EDIT: One thing I would say is pretty interesting is how people with little to no experience of trials seem to be so vocal about water bleeds. You could put up a topic about, say, doing taps, rim grinding, how to set up certain parts, etc., and people with little/no experience won't really have much to say, but as soon as it comes to water bleeds it's 100% cast iron fact. This is what Im thinking! People who have used water bleeds for years will understand the pros ( mainly pros ) and cons, as against what we have here. Two novice riders who evidently have little or no experience with what they are argueing agaist. One day they will bleed their brakes with water correctly, and realise they were very very very wrong......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Dear Brad, You are f**king retarded. Yours, Trials-Forum. I think lukes knocked it on the head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 hydraulic fluid for what? car brakes? pneumatics? pneumatic fluid is designed not to compress under massive forces (tons). Just a minor point but worth noting that pneumatics is the use of compressed gas to do work, rather than liquids. They are all fluids of course but there is an important difference . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Just a minor point but worth noting that pneumatics is the use of compressed gas to do work, rather than liquids. They are all fluids of course but there is an important difference . I ment hydraulic I may have had a bit to drink last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 I've came to a better conclusion let the retards who like to use water use water and let the normal people use hydraulic fluid. My brakes had water in it for 10 times longer than you've been riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 I ment hydraulic I guessed as much- the fact you spelt pneumatics right gave me confidence you knew what you meant!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 This debate makes me want to run Vees, so that every time I see one of these topics full of uneducated, opinionated, obnoxious, close minded twats I could just ignore it. Unfortunately, I really like the feel of my pair of Maguras. They were bought in 2003 and almost instantly bled with water. They've been bled once since, and that was this year. No antifreeze, no distillation, no nothing. Pure Surrey tap water, and only a little sticky piston which took 5 minutes to fix. I think 5 minutes work for a MUCH better brake has been worth it over 8 years of use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mista-neos Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 but back on topic, has your grind got a load of crap on it perhaps from putting the tire on ? very unlikely to cause such a lack of performance but if you have changed everything then i dont know what it could be has your grind gone dead ? chris The grinds fresh was on last week by the tarty boys so its not a bodge job and the tire was new so couldnt see that getting dirt on the rim, anyways I will give it a wash with wirebrush and water that may help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Can't believe I missed this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Object Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 A bicycle brake isn't quite the same. If I ran a maggy these days, I'd happily run tea in mine just to prove a point... What type of tea works best? I thought about using green tea but I'm not sure if the caffeine content will affect my seals. Maybe I'd be better off trying some standard cheap tea form the little shop just down the road from my flat? Do you think there would be any benefit to using pyramid bags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 and the tire was new so couldnt see that getting dirt on the rim, New tyres have release agenty crap on from the factory, so they can leave a sort of residue on your rim when you stretch the tyre over it. It might be worth giving it a thorough clean just to get rid of any potential stuff from your tyre on there. I know from past experience that a grind's been coated in rim gunk when I've had to change a flat before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mista-neos Posted April 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 New tyres have release agenty crap on from the factory, so they can leave a sort of residue on your rim when you stretch the tyre over it. It might be worth giving it a thorough clean just to get rid of any potential stuff from your tyre on there. I know from past experience that a grind's been coated in rim gunk when I've had to change a flat before. Thanks for that Mark I will give it a seen to , I realined the brake to the rim and I have noticed some diffrence to the hold, will need more bedding though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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