tdubz Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 where can you purchase speedrace frames and components from? do they have a website becuase google didnt give me much luck thinking about one of those frames in the future whats the price roughly? what do people think of them? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rab shropshire Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 ive got the older 26" fans, and i must admit i love it my riding has progressed pretty well over any other frame i have had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummond Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Heya, www.speedrace.net is their own website... We are sponsored by them, check out the galleries on our site: www.3sixty.me.uk They don't have a UK importer at the mo but we are in the process of sorting that out, we are awaiting a price list for their 2011 range and once we have everything in place we will post up prices... If you see something you like on their site then drop me a mail and I'll source a price for you... Drummond www.3sixty.me.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am-i-bothered Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 I cracked my speedrace fans which was only 2 months old. The frame barely had a scratch on it. Not impressed with the quality or the customer services as they have not helped out at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PebbleWrestler Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 (edited) speedrace just seems like a clueless, cheesy, half hearted company..the graphics are laughably horrendous. examples "please eat my dust" and the gay "never back down" shark....are they serious w/ this shizzle? Edited March 6, 2011 by PebbleWrestler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 I think that unless Speedrace sort out the prices of their frames, it'll be long before they find an importer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 worst company evvarrrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdubz Posted March 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 i see might keep my money in my pocket by the sounds of things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 speedrace just seems like a clueless, cheesy, half hearted company..the graphics are laughably horrendous. examples "please eat my dust" and the gay "never back down" shark....are they serious w/ this shizzle? you had a beer ? very nice well thought out frames and extreemly good geos , I personaly would never buy a frame based on its graphics, cant see how you can slate a companys products over their slogens either. never mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 very nice well thought out frames and extreemly good geos I'd agree with that about the original FANS frames (20 and 26). Then... er... well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I'd agree with that about the original FANS frames (20 and 26). Then... er... well... yeah fair comment, suppose the geo isnt exactly my style on the newer frames but i guess its all about moving forward and trying new things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 The thing with the FANS frames were that they were nice and simple. No over-the-top gimmicky stuff, just a nicely proportioned frame with good geometry and some nice little touches. After that they just seemed to go a bit mental with different frame shapes, frame styles and stuff like that. Everyone does that sort of thing, so they stood out more as they were before, just making nice, simply, good quality frames that worked well. EDIT: That were a decent price too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PebbleWrestler Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 you offended, pee pee? im sorry...you want me to break it down for you? ok...if they are so clueless as to put slogans on their frames that mean absolutely nothing...why would i trust that their stuff has been properly tested, and/or researched? its bad enough the head tube looks nonexistent..do you really need me to explain why i wouldnt trust a foreign, non-trials company to make my trials frame for me? come on man...its one thing to play devil's advocate...but its another entirely to defend some half-assed company based on nothing at all besides their frame geos...give me a break. im gonna call it now and say they wont be in the trials game anymore come 2012. PS you accuse me of drinking beers but you couldnt spell to save your own life! get a clue knobby! speedrace slogans - the graphical equivalent of those nigerian emails.. you had a beer ? very nice well thought out frames and extreemly good geos , I personaly would never buy a frame based on its graphics, cant see how you can slate a companys products over their slogens either. never mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Forgive me for the bad spelling after a 13 hour day at work although I wouldn’t have thought spelling would of came into my argument. You did not offend me in anyway thanks, I believe that trying to slate someone over a forum childish, but I have obviously got under your skin from my comment, which I do apologise about, I suppose it’s difficult to portray sense of hummer over a forum. Anyway if you read what I have written, I do not base a decision on what frame I would buy over solely the geo, looking at the older frames first, as mark basically said the design is tried and tested with some nice features along with a good geo. Now when looking at the newer frames, you talk about the head tube, looking at that as an example the older echo/ko frames used to have similar principles which to my knowledge did not have any problems in the past. Now I know when designing anything to go into a cnc machine it is very simple to run simulations of stress points to the design, I very much doubt looking at the complexity of the components, they would be machined as a "one off" using older manufacturing techniques , so making miner tweaks to maximise strength of the components will be a relatively simple process, I do believe this was how the echo/ko frames were designed via simulations, I suppose they would not go into strain gauging, but I guess that’s another avenue which would have a major effect on the price of frames however would be the ultimate way of testing the frames, but as a whole anything that will be cncd will go through on a whole a accurate test. I am aware from what I have read that Ben Travis has been working with speedrace into the development of their frames, now he is a good rider if you are not already aware and I’m sure will be able to push the frames to their limits to give a good practical analysis on whether they are up to the needs of us trials riders. To conclude, when getting anything produced through a cnc machine that is not a off the shelf part you need to have a good knowledge of what you are trying to achieve. When looking at the fact it is a non trials company, well in all fairness they do have a background of bikes as a whole, which again says to me they are not completely clueless in what they are doing. They may not be around in 2012, but it is a tough time at the moment and I can imagine that it would be difficult for any company to get noticed which could be why they have gone all out on their new frames trying to get something "different" exploring new ideas and trying to advance the trials market. That is basically my thoughts explained, why I personally would not base my thoughts of a frame on their slogans and graphics, taking what you have said into consideration, this seems to obviously be what people are basing how they part with their money, so it is properly something they should look at, to entice more customers, but I guess that’s what makes us individuals on how we analyse and conclude things. Paul Edited March 8, 2011 by Pauly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Why is graphic design not important to you? I do judge (not solely) a company by their choice of graphics and typeface, logos, slogans etc as it says a lot about a company. Lifestyle affiliation is a massive part of consumerism so to disregard it is silly. Consumers identitfy with a brand and that is a big part of the experience they are trying to achieve when buying a certain product or buying in to a brand. There are of course (it goes without saying) many elements that go in to a product and equally you shouldn't buy a shit pile just because its displayed and advertised well, but it all plays an important part and should be considered when making a purchase. For me when i bought my current bike (Inspired Fourplay) i had been getting bored of traditional trials and i had heard news of a fairly soon to be released 24" frame buy a brand i'd never heard of called 'Inspired'. Upon reading about this unreleased bike it seemed to fit the bill perfectly for what i was after and on its eventual release i was further reassured by the appearance and marketing of the company. Everything about Inspired was smart, clean, informed, without clutter, never unnecessary and the brand as well as the bike appealed to me. It's why i ride that bike and not an Onza Zoot. They are the same geo (were at the time in comparitve models) but i dispised Onza as a brand because i thought there branding was disgusting, their graphics appaling and their typefaces ugly. It spoke to me about the company as a whole as it was a very simple decision to go Inspired. To summise - graphic identity IS important so don't be so quick so disregard someones opinion because to them it is a factor in their purchasing decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Yeah I can understand where you are coming from and that is a very valid point, however the onza zoot and inspired frames are of a completely different design if you are to take away the graphics and company branding but I can see where you are coming from. I think I could write pages on how they are different behind the branding to be fair but I suppose that’s besides the point of what you are trying to get across. A example of my point is a of a certain brand (let’s say brand a) of forks which had a bad name for parts and bad branding on a whole as a company, now their forks what i used to own were identical to the ones made by a very well branded company (brand just a slightly different geo but the price was significantly lower on the brand a forks, brand b sold alot more forks which backs your argument up, however what I’m trying to say is, I would of thought people were smart enough to see past the branding and look at the product for what it actually is, not just look into what is branded well and what sells the most. I think it is now obvious to me now, that graphics and branding is a big issue, something I would have thought most people would have saw past when buying a frame, but thanks for the input anyway. Difficult to make sense of what I have just put I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 In terms of the Inspired/Zoot comparison i meant the Inspired MK 1 was the same geo as the original Zoot...(because Onza copied) but the Zoot was never that popular due to its gargantuin level of ugliness. I know there was better quality of manufacturing etc on the Inspired but all the various elements play a part. I understand what you're saying, your argument is quite simple and valid....for trials form should follow function. I agree in essence however i feel form should be as important as function and that it shoudldn't be an area that maufacturers don't spend adequate time on, or consumers completely ignore becvause they just want something to work. When you have a bike that costs well over £1000 why the hell should it look ugly? Can't it be well made and visually appealing? I agree with what has been said with slogans though. From what i've read the Speedrace ones are appaling, and my natural reaction on reading them is "nah thanks" it's not really the image i profess to and it doesn't appeal to me as a consumer. This is my point in essence - these things DO matter and manufacturers should spend more time getting it right to avoid potential loses of sales due to bad branding. I could not care less how good a frame/bike Onza would ever make (you'll have to use your imagination here) i would just never WANT to own one as i think they're disgusting in shape and styling. I couldn't care less about their geo...anything - they just seem to year after year put out terrible designs which i'd never be happy to ride. I think trials on the whole lacks a lot of style (lycra leggins anyone?) so taking a bit of time to make an effort and work towards a professional look is a positive thing and i think consumers being discerning enough to want this is a very positive thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 This is my point in essence - these things DO matter and manufacturers should spend more time getting it right to avoid potential loses of sales due to bad branding. I fully agree with everything you're saying, but the only thing with SpeedRace is that they're a Chinese brand who aren't really represented themselves as a company online much, so it means that they won't really know if people think their frames/stuff look bad. The "Excuse My Dust" thing is pointless, but they'll never know that because people don't tell them, so they'll just go on doing stuff like that I suppose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Surely any 'self-respecting' manufacturer would test these various elements before releasing anything to the public... I know in my work i don't just go and publicly put out my final designs, they go through proofing process, amends, critiques, more proofing etc until all criteria has been met - only then will the work be released. If i take that much effort with graphic design, i'd hope someone selling physical products that have potential decent longetivity to be at least as thorough, if not a hell of a lot more. I don't see these elements as anything other than compulsary - but heck you already know my views on these issues and why i choose to ride the bike i do.... Edited March 8, 2011 by Matthew62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 The bar's pretty low in the trials world though, so I guess compared to competitors they might see their's as being 'alright', not to mention their market may be different. It's a tricky one. The information's out there if they wanted it I guess, but it's not necessarily that easily accessible. But yeah, I agree with what you're saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PebbleWrestler Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 pauly your post was way too long bro i lost interest roughly halfway through is it wrong i picture mista wong as the brains behind the speedrace trials dept?? AAHH, PREASE EXCUSE MY DUSS while we're on topic...who is responsible for this monstrosity?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 pauly your post was way too long bro i lost interest roughly halfway through Is this the first time you've tried calling someone out online or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Yeah very valid points Mathew i can definitely see where your coming from in those aspects, we should go into business haha pebble, I think I will leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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