Miles Mallinson Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) Been trying for ages to hop 180 off drops straight on, I can do them to the side fine so if I'm going along a wall I can 180 off the side but not off the end. When I try it my front wheel always ends up on the top of the wall I just can't get far enough to clear it, does anyone have any tips to get further off a drop. Edited February 27, 2011 by Milo123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Sort of pull back more when your twisting off,not sure how to word it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I struggle with this with my trials bike, but I can do it on my bmx. On my bmx the key things were, learn to 180 using an american-style bunnyhop rather than just a straight up hop, and also go faster. I think the hard part is american style 180 on a trials bike, they're not the best at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Mallinson Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) I ride brakeless so mine feels quite Bmxy, is a american bunny hop front wheel first? I can see how that would make it easier. Cheers Edited February 27, 2011 by Milo123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Yes, front wheel first. It allows you ti fine tune your timing as well so you can take off slightly later, which is why I think it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 How about going faster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Mallinson Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) I do try them at a reasonable speed but I just end up trying too hard and hurting myself. But more speed is needed aswell. Edited February 27, 2011 by Milo123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstein Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I struggle with this with my trials bike, but I can do it on my bmx. On my bmx the key things were, learn to 180 using an american-style bunnyhop rather than just a straight up hop, and also go faster. I think the hard part is american style 180 on a trials bike, they're not the best at it. spot on! Yes, front wheel first. It allows you ti fine tune your timing as well so you can take off slightly later, which is why I think it works. I would say it has more to do with the axis of rotation, if you do a euro style hop for the 180 you rotate around the bottom bracket so the distance depends a lot on the speed you go, also if you try and do a bigger hop you have a tendency to go further up than forwards. With a usa style hop you rotate around the front wheel (normally) so you already get a greater distance. also the harder you pull up with a usa style hop the harder you are propelling the bike forwards as well as up. You can clear things with a euro hop, in fact with a euro 180 i can get down a long 4 set but if you get into doing usa style ones it is so much easer and you can clear further with less speed. they are also much easier to land smoothly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Mallinson Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) I find doing slower ones by pedalling off it alot easier although its alot harder to roll out of, abit like doing a static 180 but on the move. Edited February 27, 2011 by Milo123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 You can clear things with a euro hop, in fact with a euro 180 i can get down a long 4 set but if you get into doing usa style ones it is so much easer and you can clear further with less speed. they are also much easier to land smoothly. Heh, I can't clear a kerb on my trials bike. I've stuck a couple of stackers under my stem so I shall have to see if it makes the difference. American style 180 is an absolute must for learning to 180 up things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
multi tasking male Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 american hop so you can hang the front wheel off the drop before you have actually taken off. Also, try and use your body movement to spin you more, not bike movement because if your turning sharp to get the spin then your momentum is going into the spin and not the forward movement this is what i kept doing aswell, and i taught myself these things and i can do them off quit alot of stuff now and spinning with your body will help you 360 aswell because you dont have to travel as far so you can carve into it a bit more hope this helps and makes sense haha chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 and spinning with your body will help you 360 aswell because you dont have to travel as far so you can carve into it a bit more 'Fro rly? I carve so much into 360s that the front wheel nearly starts going the other way. Maybe that's why it's hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
multi tasking male Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) 'Fro rly? I carve so much into 360s that the front wheel nearly starts going the other way. Maybe that's why it's hard? Edited February 27, 2011 by multi tasking male Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstein Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 'Fro rly? I carve so much into 360s that the front wheel nearly starts going the other way. Maybe that's why it's hard? Really? I find if you get the hop right, turn your body properly and tuck your legs you don't actually need to carve in at all. saying this i rarely do, i have more of a tendancy to three tap but still the only difference is the leg tuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Yeah... it almost feels like I've turned myself 180 before I've even lef the floor, lol. When I 360 I basically carve, coil up my body and then hoik the bike into the air real quick and let out that coiling. It works on my bmx but not my trials bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 euro style flat hop spins are a killer for most trials riders, it works (and looks) soo much better to do a proper hop into spins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Spins have become the bain of my existence since I decided that my current ride is gash for what I'm good at so I might as well just learn something I can do in my little carpark area. Turns out I can't do them for shit - every now and again I can get a nice clean 180 but the idea of flat 3s just stumps me at the moment... Here's hoping some decent geometry will help a little bit when Marino gets round to it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 yeah, a higher bb and shorter back end works wonders for spins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) yeah, a higher bb and shorter back end works wonders for spins! I figured that'd be the case. Thought I'd just try and get as good as I can at them on this barge in the hope that it'll mean I'll find it a hell of a lot easier when I have something decent and be able to aim for 3s. Is there a danger it'll be so different I'm just wasting my time learning now? EDIT: Sorry for the hijack Milo, but I figure the info might help you too, and no point me asking elsewhere Edited February 28, 2011 by JD™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstein Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I figured that'd be the case. Thought I'd just try and get as good as I can at them on this barge in the hope that it'll mean I'll find it a hell of a lot easier when I have something decent and be able to aim for 3s. Is there a danger it'll be so different I'm just wasting my time learning now? EDIT: Sorry for the hijack Milo, but I figure the info might help you too, and no point me asking elsewhere If you can do them on a bike that it is hard to do them on then you can do them on anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 yeah, learn them now and you'll be laughing later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Cheers guys, I can stop kicking myself and just get on with it now... I'd forgotten how hard it is to learn anything new on a bike, no matter how easy it looks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Mallinson Posted February 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 EDIT: Sorry for the hijack Milo, but I figure the info might help you too, and no point me asking elsewhere Its ok, I'm gonna try with a back brake tonight so I land on my back wheels and sort of backwards manual out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty-james Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I do them strangely and i can't explain how i do them, therefore this post was completely pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 don't need a back brake to do backwards manuals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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