AndrewEH1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 interesting............... ....AAAAAANYWAY, Edinburgh smells funny because of the local brewery. It wafts a smell of hopps or something over the city that smells rather unpleasant. Either you were standing right beside the brewery or you have a very sensitive nose, because unless you're close to one you don't smell it. Living right in the centre I haven't smelt hops in years. Anyway, Mark hasn't really explained why it is 'weird'. If you can't define something it doesn't exist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I could smell it at Dean Path, at the Castle, at the new concrete skatepark and that square where Danny has some video parts with all the steps and stuff. I think I could smell it in other places too but I don't know the city all that well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Yeah I must admit in the month i've been here, I've smelt it once so can't say the whole town constantly smells funny. I dunno, you certainly can get a feel for a place.....granted Mark's description is less than enlightening, but I've been to plenty of places that don't feel right - usually I can shed some light as to why I feel that way, but a vibe can exist. I'm surprised it was felt about Edinburgh as I've to date only ever heard one single negative remark about the place - and that is Mark's, but that's not to say he's wrong - it is his opinion. I mean Mark is quite fond of Elephant & Castle but I don't think I've been to a more rancid place, so everyone will have different views depending on their outlook, experiences, requirements, desires and what they do/want from life. The only difference is I could go in to achingly specific reasons, or go on for pages about why I don't like the place, so I would be interested in finding out more from those who dislike it up here. Just a bit of curiosity is all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 There's nothing territorial about it, I don't feel an ownership over any particular area what so ever. I've never spoken to you so cannot comment on your real persona, but I can assure you, if you had the slightest awareness of mine, being territorial is something I'd never be accused of. I could equally reply with something equally inaccurate about yourself being territorial in the not at all surprising inevitability that you'd reply to a comment to/for Ali. But I won't, because that is unfair as I don't know you. My comment was simply an equally unimaginative, not particularly accurate or funny reply...however its interpretation is up for grabs. You could have chosen to have taken it as a light-hearted remark in retort to Ali's comment, or you could have chosen to take it as venomous... an attack perhaps... which could link back to a sense of being territorial over Ali. But again, that's unfair, as I don't know you. My reply was mainly in that I said I didn't particularly like Edinburgh, then suddenly I get accused of Edinburgh bashing... ...and you and Andrew both seemed to want to know exactly why I didn't like Edinburgh. You then take a stab at Blackpool, and it just seemed from my POV that you were having a pop at where I/Ali live because I said something about where you now live (EDIT: Forgot to mention - sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick with that, it just seemed to be the case to me). It just seemed strange that you were both seemingly so agitated about me not enjoying my trips to Edinburgh. Anyway, Mark hasn't really explained why it is 'weird'. If you can't define something it doesn't exist... I dunno, you certainly can get a feel for a place.....granted Mark's description is less than enlightening, but I've been to plenty of places that don't feel right - usually I can shed some light as to why I feel that way, but a vibe can exist. I'm surprised it was felt about Edinburgh as I've to date only ever heard one single negative remark about the place - and that is Mark's, but that's not to say he's wrong - it is his opinion. I mean Mark is quite fond of Elephant & Castle but I don't think I've been to a more rancid place, so everyone will have different views depending on their outlook, experiences, requirements, desires and what they do/want from life. The only difference is I could go in to achingly specific reasons, or go on for pages about why I don't like the place, so I would be interested in finding out more from those who dislike it up here. Just a bit of curiosity is all... OK, so let's say hypothetically I give you both some incredibly detailed reasons for why I don't like Edinburgh. How does that change anything at all? It's pretty much impossible to explain exactly why you feel the way you feel about certain things, especially about places like that. For example Matt, you seem to have a pretty strong dislike for the E&C. I quite like some of the riding spots there, and don't really give much of a shit that the area's not the cleanest/nicest place in the world. It serves a purpose for me - I enjoy riding the spots there, having had to live there for a while I know of a bunch of hidden spots that offer a variety of things to do depending on the mood I'm in, I don't feel threatened, I don't feel hassled. Ergo, for me, they're fine. I wouldn't particularly want to live there again if I could avoid it, but then again there are plenty of places I want/like to ride where I wouldn't want to set up home. By contrast, I f**king hate riding some of the proper City spots because I hate having to constantly look over my shoulder to see if there are any City Police lurking around (having had several close calls with them before, and having friends of mine get savage fines for virtually no reason at all), having tourists in the way, having commuters/workers in the way, relatively characterless spots, hassle when you're trying to film/shoot photos and so on. To go back to the roadtrip for example, you guys headed off and rode the Barbican while we waited for a few people to finish some lines. I like the riding spots at the Barbican but again hate the whole "checking for police" side of things (in that every time I've been there I've generally been chased out) and the look of the buildings there. Again, it's that vibe Having been chased out of there virtually every time I've been there, I generally don't like committing the time to pedalling out there only to potentially get 5mins of riding before the police get pretty keen (wouldn't be the first time). Seeing as you're both apparently unsatisfied with my reasons for not happening to like somewhere, I guess it's probably a combination of tourists swarming the place and getting grief off drunk people/smackheads while I was there. There's something about the layout/setup of Edinburgh that I didn't particularly like, but that could just be down to me not really knowing my way around. It seemed like the central is all heavily built up, and actually looking around/seeing shit from far away is tricky. It feels to me like London has less of the narrow/winding road feel about it (probably 'cos we spent a reasonable amount of time in what appeared to be the 'old' part of Edinburgh?). That's probably again because I know my way around London way better, but it just seems to 'feel' different to me. I wasn't particularly bowled over by many of the spots I rode/tried to ride in Edinburgh, whereas in Glasgow I found pretty much every spot we rode was really good. That big blocky estate spot is one of the best individual spots I've been to - I think I could happily spend all day there and not get bored. I guess maybe spending more time in Edinburgh might mean that I could grow to like it more, but in that I'm not particularly keen on the riding spots there and don't have much fondness for the place I doubt I will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) My reply was mainly in that I said I didn't particularly like Edinburgh, then suddenly I get accused of You are taking things out of context. Quite clearly I was being sarcastic. If you didn't understand that I am sorry for you that you got the wrong end of the stick. ...and you and Andrew both seemed to want to know exactly why I didn't like Edinburgh. *snip - I've never been to Blackpool* It just seemed strange that you were both seemingly so agitated about me not enjoying my trips to Edinburgh. As I've said I just wanting to understand where you were coming from and what this 'vibe' thing was. I'm not discrediting it, I've just never heard someone say they didn't like Edinburgh, never mind get a bad 'vibe' about it. OK, so let's say hypothetically I give you both some incredibly detailed reasons for why I don't like Edinburgh. How does that change anything at all? It's pretty much impossible to explain exactly why you feel the way you feel about certain things, especially about places like that. I would say it would let us understand your point of view. Nothing wrong with that is there? By contrast, I f**king hate riding some of the proper City spots because I hate having to constantly look over my shoulder to see if there are any City Police lurking around (having had several close calls with them before, and having friends of mine get savage fines for virtually no reason at all), having tourists in the way, having commuters/workers in the way, relatively characterless spots, hassle when you're trying to film/shoot photos and so on. To go back to the roadtrip for example, you guys headed off and rode the Barbican while we waited for a few people to finish some lines. I like the riding spots at the Barbican but again hate the whole "checking for police" side of things (in that every time I've been there I've generally been chased out) and the look of the buildings there. Again, it's that vibe Having been chased out of there virtually every time I've been there, I generally don't like committing the time to pedalling out there only to potentially get 5mins of riding before the police get pretty keen (wouldn't be the first time). I presume you are taking about London, I have heard that the Police are pretty rough there. There is only one spot in Edinburgh which has the potential to cause issues and that is the Parliament and even there they say 'Come back when I'm not here to see you/I don't care what you get up to when we aren't here' Seeing as you're both apparently unsatisfied with my reasons for not happening to like somewhere, I guess it's probably a combination of tourists swarming the place and getting grief off drunk people/smackheads while I was there. You never gave your reasons though? By all means hate places, I have no issue with that. Just explain the reason for the hate. Like Ali did that is perfectly legitimate to smell the breweries he may have been there on a windy day and with perhaps a good sense of smell, or maybe everyone from Edinburgh doesn't notice the smell. I presume you had a bit of hassle at Bristo Square? Maybe they thought you were hassling them? I have only had hassle from them once when they asked for a ride, I said no and that was that. I admit that tourists can be annoying, but you were a tourist too. Unless you were there at the height of the festival season, as you were riding Bristo you weren't, there isn't really an issue with tourist. Sure you may have to wait a moment between lines but you also have to realise that we don't rule the streets with our bikes. There's something about the layout/setup of Edinburgh that I didn't particularly like, but that could just be down to me not really knowing my way around. It seemed like the central is all heavily built up, and actually looking around/seeing shit from far away is tricky. It feels to me like London has less of the narrow/winding road feel about it (probably 'cos we spent a reasonable amount of time in what appeared to be the 'old' part of Edinburgh?). That's probably again because I know my way around London way better, but it just seems to 'feel' different to me. Edinburgh is an ancient town, built on a few hills, whereas London is mainly Georgian/Victoria architecture where by then a grid system had been 'discovered'. Unrelated perhaps but Edinburgh was pretty much free from bombing during WWII which means most of the city is original, narrow winding streets and all. You probably would have spent most of your time in the older parts of the city, but I'm just guessing. When you came up you should have got in contact with one of the many riders in town, we would have happily given you a tour of the town - an offer that is still open should you want to take it up. I wasn't particularly bowled over by many of the spots I rode/tried to ride in Edinburgh, whereas in Glasgow I found pretty much every spot we rode was really good. That big blocky estate spot is one of the best individual spots I've been to - I think I could happily spend all day there and not get bored. I guess maybe spending more time in Edinburgh might mean that I could grow to like it more, but in that I'm not particularly keen on the riding spots there and don't have much fondness for the place I doubt I will... Danny Macaskill really gave Edinburgh a bit of a unfounded reputation as somewhere good to ride. It is terrible really. If you are happy going to a Glasgow estate, not sure where exactly you went, a couple of drunk people/smackheads shouldn't have really been an issue. f**k, maybe I am being a little territorial. Maybe I'm just a little sad that you didn't enjoy your time in Edinburgh, a city which I love. Maybe next time you are in town, maybe never from what you have said , ditch the bike for a day and just walk about a bit and go up Arthur's Seat on a sunny, and most likely wind, day At least you enjoyed Glasgow! Edited January 30, 2012 by AndrewEH1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 f**k the essays, just use the universal indicator of piss-takery when you're not being too serious and everyone's a winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 With regards the 'sarcasm' aspect of things, the sort of out-of-the-blue nature of it and the way that a lot of people do seem to get uppity when people say they don't like their home-town made it seem to be more genuine rather than sarcastic. The follow-up posts didn't really help that... You never gave your reasons though? By all means hate places, I have no issue with that. Just explain the reason for the hate. Like Ali did that is perfectly legitimate to smell the breweries he may have been there on a windy day and with perhaps a good sense of smell, or maybe everyone from Edinburgh doesn't notice the smell. I presume you had a bit of hassle at Bristo Square? Maybe they thought you were hassling them? I have only had hassle from them once when they asked for a ride, I said no and that was that. I admit that tourists can be annoying, but you were a tourist too. Unless you were there at the height of the festival season, as you were riding Bristo you weren't, there isn't really an issue with tourist. Sure you may have to wait a moment between lines but you also have to realise that we don't rule the streets with our bikes. I don't think we 'rule the streets'. I generally try and be as polite as possible, and even if there's someone vaguely nearby I don't try something mainly 'cos I don't want to get in their way, and also 'cos I hate riding in front of people. Just getting around always seemed to be hassle 'cos there were just a lot of people around doing stuff. Sort of how I disliked going anywhere like Oxford Circus when I was in London 'cos it took ages to do anything because there were people dawdling about. I'm not sure how smackheads would think I was "hassling" them if I'm sitting on a step in some random square (not Bristo) in Edinburgh having a coffee? Dicks are dicks - that doesn't really change from place to place. I'm not saying everyone in Edinburgh's a dick, it just seemed like it was generally harder for me to avoid them I think I'll probably end up in Edinburgh at some point, although I don't really know when. I generally don't make long term plans so all my trips to Edinburgh have generally been at pretty short notice. Not asking locals out to ride wasn't a snub or anything, I just had no idea what we were going to be doing, or where we'd be doing it......maybe everyone from Edinburgh doesn't notice the smell. Could easily be the case, bearing in mind if you're always by something you'll tend to not notice it/get used to it? Or Ali's just fussy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) My reply was mainly in that I said I didn't particularly like Edinburgh, then suddenly I get accused of ...and you and Andrew both seemed to want to know exactly why I didn't like Edinburgh. You then take a stab at Blackpool, and it just seemed from my POV that you were having a pop at where I/Ali live because I said something about where you now live (EDIT: Forgot to mention - sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick with that, it just seemed to be the case to me). It just seemed strange that you were both seemingly so agitated about me not enjoying my trips to Edinburgh. OK, so let's say hypothetically I give you both some incredibly detailed reasons for why I don't like Edinburgh. How does that change anything at all? It's pretty much impossible to explain exactly why you feel the way you feel about certain things, especially about places like that. For example Matt, you seem to have a pretty strong dislike for the E&C. I quite like some of the riding spots there, and don't really give much of a shit that the area's not the cleanest/nicest place in the world. It serves a purpose for me - I enjoy riding the spots there, having had to live there for a while I know of a bunch of hidden spots that offer a variety of things to do depending on the mood I'm in, I don't feel threatened, I don't feel hassled. Ergo, for me, they're fine. I wouldn't particularly want to live there again if I could avoid it, but then again there are plenty of places I want/like to ride where I wouldn't want to set up home. By contrast, I f**king hate riding some of the proper City spots because I hate having to constantly look over my shoulder to see if there are any City Police lurking around (having had several close calls with them before, and having friends of mine get savage fines for virtually no reason at all), having tourists in the way, having commuters/workers in the way, relatively characterless spots, hassle when you're trying to film/shoot photos and so on. To go back to the roadtrip for example, you guys headed off and rode the Barbican while we waited for a few people to finish some lines. I like the riding spots at the Barbican but again hate the whole "checking for police" side of things (in that every time I've been there I've generally been chased out) and the look of the buildings there. Again, it's that vibe Having been chased out of there virtually every time I've been there, I generally don't like committing the time to pedalling out there only to potentially get 5mins of riding before the police get pretty keen (wouldn't be the first time). Seeing as you're both apparently unsatisfied with my reasons for not happening to like somewhere, I guess it's probably a combination of tourists swarming the place and getting grief off drunk people/smackheads while I was there. There's something about the layout/setup of Edinburgh that I didn't particularly like, but that could just be down to me not really knowing my way around. It seemed like the central is all heavily built up, and actually looking around/seeing shit from far away is tricky. It feels to me like London has less of the narrow/winding road feel about it (probably 'cos we spent a reasonable amount of time in what appeared to be the 'old' part of Edinburgh?). That's probably again because I know my way around London way better, but it just seems to 'feel' different to me. I wasn't particularly bowled over by many of the spots I rode/tried to ride in Edinburgh, whereas in Glasgow I found pretty much every spot we rode was really good. That big blocky estate spot is one of the best individual spots I've been to - I think I could happily spend all day there and not get bored. I guess maybe spending more time in Edinburgh might mean that I could grow to like it more, but in that I'm not particularly keen on the riding spots there and don't have much fondness for the place I doubt I will... I never accused you of Edinburgh bashing, nor did I actually reply to you (until my last), my comment was actually to Ali - but you responded for him. I wasn't even aware you lived in Blackpool, therefore my little jibe about Blackpool couldn't of been for you. I never said I wanted to know exactly why you didn't like the place, I think my words were along the lines of: "i'm curious is all"....so perhaps a bit of an over reaction. I wasn't slightly agitated, just defending myself regarding your comment towards me being territorial - something i'm not. Surely you wouldn't be adverse to someone defending themselves if perceived incorrectly? I'm not trying to change anything and at a risk of repeating myself, I was just curious...nothing more. I didn't share the same opinion as you so was just trying to understand a different point of view. Again, nothing was ever directed at you at all other than replying to you calling me territorial. Granted my response to Ali might have come across as slightly cutting, but my tiring of his type of commentary is not news...he/you never feel the need to restrain yourselves from commenting when you get annoyed etc, so I was just doing the same. It can't be one rule for one, one for another. It's not even close to impossible to explain why you get a bad feeling about a place, so I can't agree with you there, but I respect you find it difficult to put words to those feelings, so I guess that's my curiosity quenched as it seems we can go no further with this discussion. As you rightly said I really don't like E&C and if required could talk about exactly why I dislike it, so if you were curious about why I disliked it (not suggesting you are) I'd be able to tell you. The fact you enjoy it is irrelevant, i'm not challenging that, again I was just interested in your opinions of Edinburgh in a touch more detail. I guess my experiences differ, I've only ever been asked to leave the Barbican on a couple of occasions so obviously don't share the same opinion as yourself. In regards to leaving Southbank....as you may or may not be aware I wasn't there for the first day so when I arrived at Southbank I was soon told that everyone had spent the entirety of the day before there. Slightly confused by this I asked why everyone was still hanging around... a lot of people seemed keen to leave but everyone was waiting for yourself and Ali. I suggested that if anyone did want to move on that no doubt you'd have no difficulty in finding your way around having lived there for a while, but some felt you might not want to/fancy it....so people waited. After an hour or two, three....at Southbank (having been told everyone had spent all of the day before there) I was quite bored, as I don't particularly like it there. Obviously, you gave your reasons as to why you don't like a lot of London spots, but I don't like the claustrophobic, constantly looked on like a monkey in a cage feeling of Southbank so couldn't see how it'd justify two days straight. Also for the time I was there the only filming was of Ben's 180 over the rail and I/we stayed long beyond that. We rode a bunch of spots between Southbank and Barbican and I thought it was all pretty good fun. I didn't have a week off to ride all day so didn't really want to spend my day off just in one spot for so long, especially one I don't find all that fun. You didn't give any reasons so I can't be satisfied nor dissatisfied. As you said, you can't find the words so please don't feel the need to justify yourself, least of all to me. As mentioned (many a time) as a new-comer I was just interested in your thoughts, but if it makes you uncomfortable don't feel the need to try and comment. I'm sorry if you thought I was pressing. Seems as thought this has all been a terrible misunderstanding. Edited January 30, 2012 by Matthew62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Edit; I was going to go with something a little less George Michael, but with that taking up 99% of Google Images I figured it must be a rather good album. I'd suggest the pair of you play it while you just bone and get past the tension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I guess my experiences differ, I've only ever been asked to leave the Barbican on a couple of occasions so obviously don't share the same opinion as yourself. In regards to leaving Southbank....as you may or may not be aware I wasn't there for the first day so when I arrived at Southbank I was soon told that everyone had spent the entirety of the day before there. Slightly confused by this I asked why everyone was still hanging around... a lot of people seemed keen to leave but everyone was waiting for yourself and Ali. I suggested that if anyone did want to move on that no doubt you'd have no difficulty in finding your way around having lived there for a while, but some felt you might not want to/fancy it....so people waited. After an hour or two, three....at Southbank (having been told everyone had spent all of the day before there) I was quite bored, as I don't particularly like it there. Obviously, you gave your reasons as to why you don't like a lot of London spots, but I don't like the claustrophobic, constantly looked on like a monkey in a cage feeling of Southbank so couldn't see how it'd justify two days straight. Believe me, I hate Southbank (hence when I lived nearby I didn't really ride there much) and I was pretty keen to leave most of the time we were there. I didn't have anything I wanted to try there, but others did so I was waiting for them. Cheers for the massive condescension. Always a treat. I didn't bother finding 'the words' because I didn't and don't really see the point. I've already given a reasonable enough explanation in here, so maybe if you have a quick read back through what I've written you'll get some sort of idea. I'm sure the world will keep turning and things will keep on keeping on even if you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Cheers for the massive condescension. Always a treat. I didn't bother finding 'the words' because I didn't and don't really see the point. I've already given a reasonable enough explanation in here, so maybe if you have a quick read back through what I've written you'll get some sort of idea. I'm sure the world will keep turning and things will keep on keeping on even if you don't. I quite like scrambled eggs. I quite like fried eggs too. I'm also a fan of omelettes. In general: I like eggs. Stan, however, hates eggs. He doesn't really have a reason for it apart from he just basically doesn't like them. This doesn't affect me liking eggs, nor do I particularly feel that knowing exactly why Stan doesn't like eggs will affect my own view of them. Again - the world keeps turning... Surely Stan's dislike for eggs isn't due to their colour, size, how six are cramped into a box and that they smell when they go off? By definition you dislike food due to the taste. No? Edit: Or allergic...although you could still like the taste but you'll end up the size of a balloon, or dead... Edited January 30, 2012 by AndrewEH1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Believe me, I hate Southbank (hence when I lived nearby I didn't really ride there much) and I was pretty keen to leave most of the time we were there. I didn't have anything I wanted to try there, but others did so I was waiting for them. Cheers for the massive condescension. Always a treat. I didn't bother finding 'the words' because I didn't and don't really see the point. I've already given a reasonable enough explanation in here, so maybe if you have a quick read back through what I've written you'll get some sort of idea. I'm sure the world will keep turning and things will keep on keeping on even if you don't. I quite like scrambled eggs. I quite like fried eggs too. I'm also a fan of omelettes. In general: I like eggs. Stan, however, hates eggs. He doesn't really have a reason for it apart from he just basically doesn't like them. This doesn't affect me liking eggs, nor do I particularly feel that knowing exactly why Stan doesn't like eggs will affect my own view of them. Again - the world keeps turning... I'm at a bit of a loss as to the condescension, but either way...was just curious. It doesn't affect my opinion in the slightest but there's no harm in asking. If you don't see the point that's fine, I wasn't to know when originally asking that you'd object...a simple no is fine. But you didn't really say, you just said it gave you a bad vibe so I just wanted to possibly know a bit more (as I still haven't really got much of one from my month here) so I thought it must be quite something to form such a strong opinion after what I presume would have been a day or two. I did get an 'idea' of what you were getting at, but I was hoping for a little more if possible, but it's clear that's a no-go, and/or you don't want to, which please believe me is no problem so don't feel aggrieved. Also (at the risk of actually intentionally being antagonistic now) you can't really call someone out for being condescending and then follow it with that egg analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matthew62 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 It can't be one rule for one, one for another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AndrewEH1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) three beardy men Hmm...Have you ever been in Edinburgh? Also who the hell are they? Edit: Biffy who? The Vampire Slayer? Haven't been a fan since I stupidly thought I'd see them at T in the Park and almost got into a fight with some 'hardcore Biffy fans' as I tried to squeeze past them, while saying excuse me, to get to my mates who were five foot away... Edited January 30, 2012 by AndrewEH1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JD™ Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Hmm...Have you ever been in Edinburgh? Also who the hell are they? WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA I've stayed out of this because I consider members of both sides mates, but when someone shows ignorance towards Biffy Clyro shits gone too far (even if they have 'sold out' and I'm that cliche fan). Now everyone stop arguing and go listen to Blackened Sky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Also (at the risk of actually intentionally being antagonistic now) you can't really call someone out for being condescending and then follow it with that egg analogy. I wasn't being condescending, it just seems to be quite a similar comparison to me. I did think it might come across that way, which was why I removed it from my post. As I said before, I gave some reasons for it. They're there for you to see. I even got reasonably detailed about it and everything... I'm at a bit of a loss as to the condescension No doubt the wording was purely accidental then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I genuinely don't know why this is still going. Mark gets a weird vibe from Edinburgh he's not too keen on. Matt/Andrew aren't content with Mark blaming this on just getting a weird vibe from the place. Essays ensue. Ad infinitum. Seriously, the dude's just not a massive fan of the place, that's all there is to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I genuinely don't know why this is still going. Mark gets a weird vibe from Edinburgh he's not too keen on. Matt/Andrew aren't content with Mark blaming this on just getting a weird vibe from the place. Essays ensue. Ad infinitum. Seriously, the dude's just not a massive fan of the place, that's all there is to it! Nope.... First part, yep, second part....not that I wasn't content, I was just interested. I actually asked a question. The "essays" ensued when Mark replied in place of Ali with an accusation towards me. I objected to this so replied. Mark then replied. I then replied....and so on. I get it, you're with Mark, that's that, but it doesn't mean he takes precedence in terms of opinions. No one is more valid, we have both replied equally the only difference in our comments is Mark accused me personally of something untrue, something based on a comment made to some other guy....not him. But of course, that's not absurd....let's not drop that. In reality, truthfully it all means less than nothing to me, but I'm not being told to stop replying because you personally agree with one individual. The slightly policing like attitude is a bit tiresome, it's a forum after all. You need not read further, Mark need not comment further, and the same sure as hell applied to me...but whilst i'm personally involved i'll see it out for a bit, but your presence is required here why.....? No one is telling you what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 It's a forum, new replies get stuck up that are usually of an interesting nature so people look in. Unfortunately in this instance they were neither interesting nor relevant. I couldn't care less who the discussion is between and I'm not really trying to 'police' anything, it just seems like the most pointless exchange that spawned from something completely negligible. I'm not really 'with Mark' I'm just not 'with' the bullshit debate that's come from one generic comment. You say you don't care about it at all, that you're only continuing to post large amounts of unnecessary stuff purely because it's annoying to other people? Sweet ethos right there. I find it a little odd that you say you can't really comment as you don't know Mark, yet when you spent a day riding with him you didn't make any effort to have any real interaction with the group on the most part. That's not to say I've taken a disliking to you, in fact at the very end of the ride you were kind enough to help us find our trains which you certainly didn't have to (thanks again for that ) so I've got no reason to pick and choose a 'side' to be on. I get the impression that you have a liking for playing devil's advocate to pretty much any topic which I guess is fair enough, but you just seem to write lots and say very little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) It's a forum, new replies get stuck up that are usually of an interesting nature so people look in. Unfortunately in this instance they were neither interesting nor relevant. I couldn't care less who the discussion is between and I'm not really trying to 'police' anything, it just seems like the most pointless exchange that spawned from something completely negligible. I'm not really 'with Mark' I'm just not 'with' the bullshit debate that's come from one generic comment. You say you don't care about it at all, that you're only continuing to post large amounts of unnecessary stuff purely because it's annoying to other people? Sweet ethos right there. I find it a little odd that you say you can't really comment as you don't know Mark, yet when you spent a day riding with him you didn't make any effort to have any real interaction with the group on the most part. I get the impression that you have a liking for playing devil's advocate to pretty much any topic which I guess is fair enough, but you just seem to write lots and say very little. How can you not see what you just wrote as completely hypocritical? Let's ignore the Edinburgh smell/vibe etc as we've done it to death and focus on the new point, you've just made....my lack of interaction.... So it was me that didn't interact with anyone....and not the other way round? In a group where most people knew each other and I only knew Jason it was me that didn't interact with the mass..... not the complete lack of effort from others to introduce themselves? No of course, it was me. See I remember having a perfectly nice time (and interaction) with Ben, with Dave, Ash, Luke, Jason, Matt, Nick, Sam, yourself and managed to speak to all of those despite not meeting them before, and even on a couple of rare occasions, one of them actually made the introduction first. In fact, and I could be mistaken but I think i'm right in saying that it was me than ensured you got back to Jason's house, that you got on the right train after the interchange, even saw you off so I knew you'd get there okay, when no one offered you or Ash a lift, but yes of course it was me that didn't make any effort. Luke, let me make it perfectly straight for you. I couldn't care less about playing devils advocate. I'm just sharing my opinions, just as you are (minus the humorous pictures), just as Mark is, yet i'm the one in the wrong....really not sure how you're drawing your conclusions. I'm also interested (but shit that's got me in enough trouble so far) in how I do this in pretty much any topic....i've barely been here over the past 2/3 months, and rarely comment on anything anymore.... I don't see the problem in wanting/being able to write...and why it'd be any lesser important than speaking, but you are right on that day I guess I wasn't as chatty as I might usually be....but I guess you've already drawn your conclusions as to why that might be, how you've blissfully brushed over the fact that it does usually work both ways.... P.S. I said I've never spoken to Mark, not that I don't know him. I haven't ever spoken to him, and nor him to me, so it's not that strange a thing to say. Edited January 30, 2012 by Matthew62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Pretty much any topic being of conversation, not any thread posted on this forum. Yeah, if you read my post you'll see that I editied to mention that you'd been kind enough to point us to the right train and that it'd been much appreciated. About it working both ways; On numerous occasions throughout the day, people would start conversations with everyone (yourself included), much as people tend to do on group rides, you just seemed significantly quieter than most. It's fair enough that you didn't know people and so perhaps weren't as vocal as you usually are then, but most of the people on the trip had only properly met over the past 24 hours or so. People interact differently, it just seemed strange that you came across so very differently online and in person. Are you struggling to see why people (yeah, it's not just me...) don't always respond lovingly towards large blocks of text about stuff that's not too relevent to the topic at hand/life in general? Perhaps that mountain you've made out of a molehill is getting in your way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 People interact differently, it just seemed strange that you came across so very differently online and in person. I couldn't agree more, I found it very strange also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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