Matt Vandart Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Just a note to say I got one of these to replace my Der Kaiser. This tyre is cheaper and lighter. I have found the grip is as good as the der kaiser and the 'bounce' is perfect, I nailed a gap today I have been trying for ages, but the tyre is not so stable on off camber surfaces. I can live with that because it wasn't that bad. I had about 18psi pressure in it a bit more and the stability would be better I think. I also nailed it a good few times, rimming out on gaps, and had no pinches. I think it is a good alternative to more expensive tyres. Just thought I would put this here in case anyone was interested and you don't see many positive threads here. Edited January 9, 2011 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.tattoo Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 i run one with 22/25 psi and its great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 you will flat it no problem. Mine flatted like every few mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Grip as good as a Der Kaiser? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukasMcNeal Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Can you link me to the tyre your on about please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualjoe Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 That mountain king is just too light really. Only 4 weeks until the Baron 2.3" hits our shores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 That mountain king is just too light really. Only 4 weeks until the Baron 2.3" hits our shores. Sounds great that tyre, with some trimming should be sub 800 easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 you will flat it no problem. Mine flatted like every few mins. Max you really aren't the smoothest of riders so that isn't going to help matters at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 you will flat it no problem. Mine flatted like every few mins. Negative, I rimmed it out a good few times on 6ft gaps 90 degree edges and had no flats. Grip as good as a Der Kaiser? Really? Not on off camber surfaces, but the Der Kaiser is majic. So far it is impressing me It makes sense really as the material used (black chili compound) is the same as the Der kaiser. I know many people say that by cutting half your knobbles off you improve the grip of the tyre but I think in the case of the der kaiser this is not true, I cut half mine off and it was sorta less stable because of the massive gaps between the knobles and the height of those knobbles if that makes sense. Back to the Mountain king (protection) On straight up slopes it seems as good to me. I think the off camber situation was dues to the lack of pressure in my tyre and tyre foldage occurring, I used to run my der kaiser with virtually no pressure in it at all, which is unusual for me, I usually run relatively higher pressures. I think if I up the pressure to 25psi it will solve that, this may be offset the usefullness of the tyre as it may be too bouncy then like the rubber queen, which I have run also. I think this tyre will get better and better as it gets more worn, something I have found with try all sticky's and the Der Kaiser. Here is where to get them: Kilk for supplier Tarty used to have them also but don't anymore probably because they have been slagged in the past, I had the non protection version, which is not black chilli compound, it was a mediocre tyre at best, bordering on shite. Strangely the non protection 2.4 is wider when pumped up than the one I am on about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Negative, I rimmed it out a good few times on 6ft gaps 90 degree edges and had no flats. Not on off camber surfaces, but the Der Kaiser is majic. So far it is impressing me It makes sense really as the material used (black chili compound) is the same as the Der kaiser. Its not, which is why I questioned it really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) Is it not? From chain reaction: 'The Mountain King is our latest MTB tyre, covering a broad range of MTB applications . Features: • In widths 2.2 and 2.4 it is just right for XC, marathons, trail riding and all mountain riding. • The tread blocks are of an intermediate design, distributed and shaped to deal with anything from soft loamy soil up to hardpack. • Wire or Folding bead • ProTection versions made with new Black Chili compound' and also here: (Tarty) - Ultralight front tyre from Continental. - Supersonic model uses the super thin tyre casing, material distribution of tread rubber and thickness of the tread compound to produce the desired weight. - 2.2" size (slightly larger than a 2.0" Try-All tyre) provides good grip and cushioning. - Thin sidewalls help keep the weight low and provide additional feel and "spring" when preloaded. - Constructed from Continental's sticky version of the Black Chili compound which uses carbon nano particles to make a softer compound without sacrificing the wear rate of the tread. - Folding bead to save weight. - Weight: Only 515g (verified on TartyBikes' digital scales)! Please note that these tyres are hand made and the weight can vary from that stated on our website, however we aim to keep it up to date as much as possible. Edited January 11, 2011 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 From memory, 3 black chili compounds - One used on their road tyres, one used on their xc/freeride orientated tyres (inc mountain king \rubber queen) and the stickiest used for Rain Kings and Der Kaisers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) ah well it seems to be gripping the same, lol maybe I got lucky and some pissed German picked up the wrong bucket of goo when he made mine Certainly feels the same when one caresses it with ones finger and it sticks to my kitchen floor like glue, something even my Der Kaiser let go of sometimes. Read this maybe? Click me Seems the same compound is used in Der Kaiser as Mountain King II which I assume is the tyre I have. Also here: Mountain king specs f**k me! 650g!!!! Edited January 11, 2011 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Click me Seems the same compound is used in Der Kaiser as Mountain King II which I assume is the tyre I have. As Nick said, there are at least 3 different versions of the black chilli compound. The name just refers to the technology used, which that link describes. You don't really think a road race tyre would be as sticky as the worlds grippiest DH tyre Oh and you have the Mountain King Mk1. The second version isn't out yet and has a completely different tread pattern. The compound used isn't as soft as der kaiser, which the Tartybikes durometer test has proved. MKs are designed for XC/trail riding where rolling resistance is important (and something Conti care about a lot in their tyres, that's what black chilli was originally designed to improve!) So unless the Germans made a cock up (not likely!) then it shouldn't be as grippy. Its good to see that you think it grips well though, I have considered using one for a while, will have to try one at some point now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Interesting stuff. Maybe it is my perception that is out here. Shall be riding rocks later this week so I'll adjust/repost here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockman Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 He likes it, I have the supersonic version and can't fault it yet, he was just telling you his opinion of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 He likes it, I have the supersonic version and can't fault it yet, he was just telling you his opinion of it. yep, he was, none of us were arguing, just stating the fact that it doesn't have the same compound as a RK/DK and so grip levels will be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 He likes it, I have the supersonic version and can't fault it yet, he was just telling you his opinion of it. And we were just giving our opinion back and correcting a mistake so people don't get the wrong idea? Like I said I have wanted to try one for a while so I'm glad to hear somebody rating them well. According to tarty the durometer is 50a, which is still pretty damn soft at the end of the day! Edit: old man is slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Max you really aren't the smoothest of riders so that isn't going to help matters at all.... Why dont you stop picking on my riding? Running 40psi and pinching literally every 5mins is not my idea of a decent tyre. Just my opinion, not that it counts for much..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 yep, he was, none of us were arguing, just stating the fact that it doesn't have the same compound as a RK/DK and so grip levels will be different. And you were correct, wet grip is pretty shite. Good on the rocks today when they were dry, had a pinch today but I put that down to very low pressure in my tyre, when I fixed it I put the pressure up quite a bit, this decreased the straight on grip made the tyre more bouncy (which was good) but increased the grip on the wonk. So in summary this tyre is a tidy tyre for its price but I do take it back, the grip level is not as good as the Der kaiser but overall I prefer this tyre for its advantages, more spring and weight. If I had a lighter frame I would use a der kaiser over this tyre for sure, I rekon I will ride this one till that baron Tyre comes out, if that is the same compound as the derkaiser its gonna be win I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I don't think it will be. The 2.3" Baron is aimed at all mountain riding so it will probably have the same compound as the rubber queen/mountain king. On paper it just looks like a slightly smaller version of the rubber queen (although that's no bad thing really!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rab shropshire Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) So the Rain King has been renamed Der Baron, so effectively The Baron is a 2.3 Rain king, sounds promising For anyone interested they are sold here My link Edited January 16, 2011 by rab shropshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 So the Rain King has been renamed Der Baron, so effectively The Baron is a 2.3 Rain king, sounds promising For anyone interested they are sold here My link Yeah the same tread pattern, but a completely different carcass, sidewall and compound by the look of it. Hence why I compared it to the rubber queen, just a smaller version of that with the rain king tread pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary-mac Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Got myself this tyre to try out, did around 2:5 street riding tonight plus little play on rocks. It's actually quite a good tyre if your fairly smooth rider, the liteness helps on side hops etc, grips well and gives good bounce for gaps. Down side is its quite unstable on rocks due to the soft flexi side walls but yet it does grip. Good street tyre for lite riders but Der kaiser wins hands down for the natty terrain for its sheer grip, and stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 So is the baron the same compound as the rain king or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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