Rock N Roll Bikes On Ebay

[Alex Dark]

Meh, I for one would wholeheartedly use Rock n Roll bikes. They're part of the Onza group so why shouldn't they sell their products with a middlemans profit margin tacked ontop more power to them...

[monkeyseemonkeydo]

But then why bother distributing products to anyone else in the UK if you're then going to undercut the retailers you've sold to?

[Ali C]

There's no "Middlemans margin tacked ont top", how would that work if they're selling them at well below rrp?

It's just another company just doing things purley for the profit and not for the good of the sport, it's another company who doesn't care who they f**k over as long as they get their way. I could name a couple more...Ozonys, Atomz etc

[Alex Dark]

So if theyre selling their own products that they set the RRP on? Then they are just cutting out the middleman surely....

I don't see why selling things for a lower price is bad for the sport?! If anything I reckon its good for it.... more accessible etc. Surely manufacturers have every right to sell to whoever they want to ?

[Ali C]

well, Rock'n Roll Cycles sold Onza to Moorelarge?, so in theory, they shouldn't have any more rights than any other shop. Moorelarge set the rrp, they tell shops to stick to it, Rock'n Roll don't. If that isn't the case and Rock'N Roll do still own onza, then is cheeky to tell people to do one thing and do something differently yourself.

cheaper bikes are good, I'll agree. But Rock'n Roll selling them for less is unfair. If everyone has to sell them at the same price, then people have more choice where to get them, the more choice they get the more the actual service the shop gives will get better so they choose them other the competition. THAT would be better for the sport! If they got better service, the bike would come set up, would have great aftersales advice and great general advice and the rider would spend more time riding a well set up bike rather than spending less and getting a bike in a box with no knowledge of how a trials bike should be set up and will either ride worse because of that, or in a worse case example, fall apart and break. That rider won't have enjoyed the sport as much as the rider who payed the rrp and got the service and is more likely to stay in the sport for longer.

[Kenny--Trials]

sainsburys is cheaper than tesco and morrisons is cheaper that sainsburys

does it really matter ?

But with the asda price check guarantee, you could save more on your weekly shop.

[Joe@Onza]

Just thought I'd stop this here. First of all Ali there is a 10% online discount with Onza. Most shops take 10% off before they have even been built. It is also against the law to tell the shops to sell products at certain price.

Now if the bikes were brand new on the ebay then I would tell them to get them off but they are MOR (mail order returns) they have scratchs on etc, they can sell them for what they want.

Why

Edited November 29, 2010 by Joe@Onza

[JT!]

Critical Ali is critical.

[Ali C]

It is also against the law to tell the shops to sell products at certain price.

may want to share that info a bit more then.

[Mike Poyzer @ Onza]

First of all, we did not sell Onza to Moore Large, we appointed them as our UK distributors, in the same way that Tarty Bikes are distributors of every other trials brand. Rock'n'Roll Bikes is a website which we have set up to protect, promote and sell Onza products and also many other products. They buy their Onza Bikes and all other Onza products from Moore Large and they operate pricing policies in line with those recommended by Moore Large. We would love to sell them at recommended retails but we always follow the market prices and I think that Ali C is deluding himself to imply that everyone else sells at RRP. We do not set the trend, we follow it.

As a separate issue we also distribute our bikes throughout the world from Taiwan, other than Europe which we supply from here in the UK. This gives us many 'demo' models and occasional frustrated or cancelled orders which we have to dispose of. In addition we handle all mail order and shop returns which may be only minor faults or sometimes even no faults at all. All these items we tend to dispose of through Ebay. When we get a frustrated export order we always offer the stock first to our distributors but they are not always in a position to take it, so we have to dispose of it ourselves. This is in no way an effort to destabilise our own market, but an unfortunate necessity on occasions. When we get a cancelled export order we are always ready to listen, should anyone want to buy that excess stock from us, but we do have to take into account our position of not being our own UK distributor, and would not want to jeopardise our UK trading position.

[Ali C]

First of all, we did not sell Onza to Moore Large, we appointed them as our UK distributors

I think that Ali C is deluding himself to imply that everyone else sells at RRP. We do not set the trend, we follow it.

I wasn't too sure on the first point which is why I had the question mark on the end.

When I was at Tartybikes, I remember being told that we had to stick to the rrp. If we were to sell for less then our connection to Onza could be canceled. I believe you even went as far as to get all your photos of bikes watermarked and shops had to use them to prove they were legit and sticking to the prices?

[trialsiain]

TARTY BIKES beats everyone. They have a great customer service and are just the best.

Edited November 29, 2010 by trialsiain

[eskimo]

Slightly heated.

cool, see that airplane above your head? It's not a plane, its the point of my post.

Funny shit^^

[Ali C]

must admit it wasn't my intention to start a heated argument or even have a go at Rock'n Roll Cycles but it's nice to be able to say what I think and if I am wrong I will be the first to apologize.

[Matt Vandart]

And Pounds = crack whores

lol

I'm sorry Ali, I fail to see your point entirely.

Explain how Rock man Kortz 2= £649 in the UK 649 Euro in Europe, they are from the same distributor are they not?

That is nearly £100 cheaper in Europe at today's conversion.

I feel these prices are never going to drop until there is more than one big player in the uk trials scene, which will probably never happen.

[Ali C]

I can't really comment on the rockman bikes, it may have to do with currency exchange and so on which I never paid that much attention to.

[Mike Poyzer @ Onza]

As Joe said, it is illegal to insist that your retailers stick to RRP. Moore Large in common with many cycle distributors ask that retailers maintain a maximum discount of 10%. However, they can only suggest that retailers stick to that and there is no way that it can be enforced. There are measures and sanctions available if they feel that a retailer is destroying their products reputation with pricing which is unsustainable, but to a large extent maintaining prices at a mutually acceptable level is all down to trust and relationships.

Watermarking pictures is not to do with maintaining prices, but is a way to stop the use your pictures by unauthorised users on the Internet. It is an intellectual property issue, not a price maintenance one. Witness all the pictures on Tarty's website.

[Mark W]

There are measures and sanctions available if they feel that a retailer is destroying their products reputation with pricing which is unsustainable, but to a large extent maintaining prices at a mutually acceptable level is all down to trust and relationships.

Interestingly, I've personally taken a call from another shop (from the time when all the Onza RRPs got raised earlier in the year) who were asking how we were dealing with the issues posed by websites that consistently undercut RRPs by a significant amount, and if we had attempted to "do anything about it", or if we were aware of whether "sanctions" were going to be taken against the shops who were doing so. They were in relation to a bike shop (to clarify, not R&R - not naming the actual shop for obvious reasons) who's prices were generally 15-20% below RRP, and still are.

[Matt Vandart]

I can't really comment on the rockman bikes, it may have to do with currency exchange and so on which I never paid that much attention to.

cool

[PaRtZ]

They buy their Onza Bikes and all other Onza products from Moore Large and they operate pricing policies in line with those recommended by Moore Large. We would love to sell them at recommended retails but we always follow the market prices and I think that Ali C is deluding himself to imply that everyone else sells at RRP. We do not set the trend, we follow it.

This I don't understand. My interpretation is that if the onza Pro

(Got to admit Im out of touch with the onza line so apologies if this isn't a product anymore!)

was £500 RRP say. Then tartybikes sell it at their maximum 10% discount, so rock and roll bikes do the same (following the market trend) Can this price war between two companies just go on and on? Or is it once the 10% is reached thats it? Otherwise, how else can you follow a market trend?

Man im glad I didn't do economics....

[TrialsIsHard]

what i want to know is why the limey 2.0 frame is £349, and the limey 320 frame is £299 ?!

It may be just me, but im pretty sure that is wrong..