Muslim Protesters...

[Krisboats]

Engaging with someone head on does not mean aggression. It means talking to them face to face, and not about them on a forum. These talks begin as nicely as is possible, on my part. Invariably, personal attacks end up coming towards me and letting go of a 'go f**k yourself' is a hell of a lot less aggressive than the situation would warrant, or that I'd like to do.

Hide behind your facepalm as much as you like. We're talking about your theory versus my practical knowledge here. It's like you're telling the Wright brothers that flight isn't possible - as it turns out, the plane takes off.

The implication was that your posts seem to convey a more hostile approach, where as i think that there is a different way to go about it.

Your analogy is slightly inaccurate, It's more like telling the wright brothers that flight is possible, but proposing a different craft design.

[Luke Rainbird]

There's enough space to make more houses.

The entire planet is overpopulated.

There are too many houses as it is, it's ridiculous.

Basically, we just need to wipe out 90% of the population (we shall discuss this in the SM forum and decide who, to save you lot the burden. We're nice like that) and start afresh. Like a national programme of selective breeding

...and yes, the entire planet is pretty overpopulated too.

[Luke Dunstan]

Immigrants are required because their tradition is to have many children.

Immigrants are required to prevent our country from dying out in the future.

So how long until we're outnumbered?

There are too many houses as it is, it's ridiculous.

Basically, we just need to wipe out 90% of the population (we shall discuss this in the SM forum and decide who, to save you lot the burden. We're nice like that) and start afresh. Like a national programme of selective breeding

...and yes, the entire planet is pretty overpopulated too.

Save me. I make good waffles.

[Revolver]

So how long until we're outnumbered?

Eventually.

[JD™]

The implication was that your posts seem to convey a more hostile approach, where as i think that there is a different way to go about it.

Your analogy is slightly inaccurate, It's more like telling the wright brothers that flight is possible, but proposing a different craft design.

I dunno whether you're starting to take this as lightly as I am, knowing that neither of us are going to budge, but just in case you are:

Actually, the analogy could be further tweaked to say that I am the Wright Brothers, and you are the designer of one of the many stabs at flight that failed, miserably. You're adamant that your way, which has been tried again and again, works. I, on the other hand, am proposing something which could work.

Either way, the taking off bit was just tongue in cheek and a way to lighten the mood. As I said, you're not going to sway me because I've already spent hour upon hour deliberating my opinion on this subject and I believe I've come up with the right stance for me.

[Krisboats]

I dunno whether you're starting to take this as lightly as I am, knowing that neither of us are going to budge, but just in case you are:

Pretty much, hence the facepalm picture I guess it just kind of irritated me when you said i was getting on a high horse about it rather than doing anything.

I think either way could do it, but it's motivating people to make their voices heard that's the problem. At the end of the day the end goal is the same, we need to be more tolerant of each other and stop resorting to violence and war. I don't care who's method is better, so long as one works.

[JD™]

Pretty much, hence the facepalm picture I guess it just kind of irritated me when you said i was getting on a high horse about it rather than doing anything.

I think either way could do it, but it's motivating people to make their voices heard that's the problem. At the end of the day the end goal is the same, we need to be more tolerant of each other and stop resorting to violence and war. I don't care who's method is better, so long as one works.

Jihad to that.

[Luke Dunstan]

Edited November 12, 2010 by xDUNSTANx

[murph82]

See that button with the arrow turning back on itself on your keyboard? It's on the right hand side... Maybe use it and people could be arsed to read your entire, completely uneducated, post.

Uneducated? Out of interest,do you know anyone that's served in any conflict? Or anyone effected by 9/11 or 7/7? I know several people who have and are serving in afghanistan,have you seen someone who has been seriously injured?have you seen families worry day after day about the safety of someone fighting a war against people who act in the name of religion? When you have maybe you'll wind your neck in with this high brow opinion you have to offer. Carry on going on about the past,it's gone,what's done is done,now matters and what i said i stand by,it's happening.

[manuel]

Fair enough, although what if that 0.0006369426752% = 60% of terrorists?

Sigh.

regardless to the fact that there are some that arent bad, and many of them were born here. in my eyes they can f**k off back to there ancestors countrys. yeah they might do the shit jobs that us english are stuck up to do, but they cause some f**king trouble. yes i am racist but who can blame me when i was bullied by a group of 4 "coloured" kids all the way through high school & when i stuck up for myself they just " oh he called me nigger" & " its because im black". then i see stuff like this, which relates to me as my grandad, great grandad, dad, 2 uncles & an auntie have all served in the forces and one of them served in the war. i dont hate anyone, but f**k these lot make me angry.

End/rant.

Sigh.

not wanting to get too involved in a thread likr this but, some may see jakes post as racist.. And it is, but part of his family served in that war and fought for their country. No matter what anyone says, doing what they did is a disgrace. At the same time, its just life we have to deal with it. We cant just kick all muslims out of the country because of this and we cant find people out of every muslim that immagrates here and say you look dodgy, your not coming in.

Sigh.

So how long until we're outnumbered?

Sigh.

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG ?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1111!?!?!

[Matthew62]

Not when we can't agree on who's mythical being is the ''true'' mythical being.

[Mark W]

These people are protesting what our soldiers have done ect. But what about the atrosities the soviets inflicted on the muslim people of Afghanistan during the 70's? Do you see them burning flags in Red square? Do you f**k. Cos the Russians would not tollerate it in the slightest. But were so PC now were seen as an easy touch.

Were Russia the US's main allie when they decided to invade Iraq and Afghanistan?

So how long until we're outnumbered?

Island nation. It's not like the UK itself has a specific 'type' of person in it, we're always made up of a mixture of origins, hence the differences in languages, cultures, etc. Notice how many of the nation's favourite dishes aren't from the UK. Should they take that culture with them too?

[murph82]

These people are protesting what our soldiers have done ect. But what about the atrosities the soviets inflicted on the muslim people of Afghanistan during the 70's? Do you see them burning flags in Red square? Do you f**k. Cos the Russians would not tollerate it in the slightest. But were so PC now were seen as an easy touch.

I think you have sent the hammer crashing down on the nails head.and jd people cant or dont do anything like you have accused krisboats of as if you speak out your branded some kind bnp racist hooligan. You can talk about it til the cows come home,it will never get heard as its not so extreme as we are now a country of people to worried about speaking out. I live near margate, a former popular seaside resort from year back.about fifteen year ago it started going down the toilet.it is an example of what immigration does to areas.its a total shit hole.i have watched it's decline as more foreigners were moved in year after year staying in the hotels that were once used by english families.you dont go there after dark now,seriously,its just to dangerous.but when people tried protesting it was all thrown out and you were talked about like your a racist!

[JD™]

Uneducated? Out of interest,do you know anyone that's served in any conflict? Or anyone effected by 9/11 or 7/7? I know several people who have and are serving in afghanistan,have you seen someone who has been seriously injured?have you seen families worry day after day about the safety of someone fighting a war against people who act in the name of religion? When you have maybe you'll wind your neck in with this high brow opinion you have to offer. Carry on going on about the past,it's gone,what's done is done,now matters and what i said i stand by,it's happening.

My old man served in the Navy from age 16-28, including the Falklands. He then went on to serve in the Parachute Regiment of the Army. One of my best buddies came out of the Marines a couple of years back after 3 tours in Iraq. Last month I ran the Beachy Head marathon for Help for Heroes and the Parachute Regiment charities, in semi full kit (bergens and boots) to raise money for those people I've seen in shocking situations because of the many recent conflicts.

I didn't read your whole post, because it's f**king badly written to the point that I wasn't understanding what you were getting at. Carry on reading the Daily Mail and writing shit on a forum, and I'll carry on raising money for the people who need it. Actions, not words.

[Luke Dunstan]

Island nation. It's not like the UK itself has a specific 'type' of person in it, we're always made up of a mixture of origins, hence the differences in languages, cultures, etc. Notice how many of the nation's favourite dishes aren't from the UK. Should they take that culture with them too?

The 'type' of person you'd normally think about who resides in the UK should be British, Irish and Scottish (not welsh). I don't mind that there are many different nationalities in the UK, that's not a problem. But I think that we should maybe use the same system as Australia, people have to have a trade or a skill to get into the country.

People get let in that bring nothing to the country (granted, some do bring a lot) and get housed without any question. About 4-5 years ago I was suddenly put into a shitty situation where I was going to be made homeless, so I went to my local council and asked if they could help me out with accommodation, and guess how they helped, they gave me directions to the local homeless shelter. After all the taxes I have paid, not to mention charity work I have helped with, it felt like my own country had shunned me and favoured non-nationals.

Granted this reply has been a bit of a whine and a moan. I'm not a racist in case this come across in the wrong way.

Edited November 12, 2010 by xDUNSTANx

[murph82]

My old man served in the Navy from age 16-28, including the Falklands. He then went on to serve in the Parachute Regiment of the Army. One of my best buddies came out of the Marines a couple of years back after 3 tours in Iraq. Last month I ran the Beachy Head marathon for Help for Heroes and the Parachute Regiment charities, in semi full kit (bergens and boots) to raise money for those people I've seen in shocking situations because of the many recent conflicts.

I didn't read your whole post, because it's f**king badly written to the point that I wasn't understanding what you were getting at. Carry on reading the Daily Mail and writing shit on a forum, and I'll carry on raising money for the people who need it. Actions, not words.

There you go again being presumptious, I've sponsored several people fundraising for forces related charities and currently trying to arrange with several friends a large scale event with money raised going to help for heroes. Try taking a f*cking breath and reading things. I think you got my point. That being that you seem to be sitting there telling people that they are wrong for being pissed off in a manner which seemed like you didn't understand why people would be so outraged at what happened yesterday. And having read your post above I'm even more puzzled at what you've been saying? There is no excuse for yesterday and I'm not someone will pass up credible oppurtunities to put my point across when it would be useful. If I had seen that I'd have said something or at least wanted to, but you know what I think would have happened, it would be me the police silenced, not the antagonists. Christ, we're all on the same side on here aren't we?

[Matthew62]

Try taking a f*cking breath and reading things.

Haha dickhead! That's what commas are for...duh. Take your own advice mochacho.

My girlfriend is a sexy Italian chick. Her grandparents emigrated here in the 40's and worked like mother's to make a life in this god forsaken country. If immigration brings more hot sexy foreign girls here then as far as i'm concerned let's get those flood gates open.

P.S. If you think this reply is silly, then you're silly.

[Luke Dunstan]

Haha dickhead! That's what commas are for...duh. Take your own advice mochacho.

My girlfriend is a sexy Italian chick. Her grandparents emigrated here in the 40's and worked like mother's to make a life in this god forsaken country. If immigration brings more hot sexy foreign girls here then as far as i'm concerned let's get those flood gates open.

P.S. If you think this reply is silly, then you're silly.

Sexy Italian chicks all round! (Y)

[JD™]

There you go again being presumptious, I've sponsored several people fundraising for forces related charities and currently trying to arrange with several friends a large scale event with money raised going to help for heroes. Try taking a f*cking breath and reading things. I think you got my point. That being that you seem to be sitting there telling people that they are wrong for being pissed off in a manner which seemed like you didn't understand why people would be so outraged at what happened yesterday. And having read your post above I'm even more puzzled at what you've been saying? There is no excuse for yesterday and I'm not someone will pass up credible oppurtunities to put my point across when it would be useful. If I had seen that I'd have said something or at least wanted to, but you know what I think would have happened, it would be me the police silenced, not the antagonists. Christ, we're all on the same side on here aren't we?

You asked me a question with a whole load of assumptions, so I threw them back at you. Don't throw your toys out because you can't handle being treated the same way you're treating others.

Yea, we're on the same side. I just don't come on here shouting about how it's an 'outrage' because that's f**king futile. I sure as hell don't let it slide though. Living in Croydon keeps me in regular contact with some pretty dodgy characters. Not a whole lot of extremists, but there's definitely some. Some of them were around yesterday in support of the whole poppy burning situation. Instead of coming on here and writing in the angry thread or creating a thread about not believing in immigration (?) I approached them and got locked into a bit of a debate. It didn't end perfectly, because I didn't have a whole heap of time so I had to go down the aforementioned 'kindly go f**k yourself, and keep your views to yourself while living here' route.

Actions, not words. No, I don't want a medal, I just want more people to actively engage these people in conversation to help them understand what it is they are doing. Their views come from a lack of education, as do a lot of our own.

[Luke Dunstan]

Their views come from a lack of education, as do a lot of our own.

I think most of them have had too much of the wrong education. Not so much brain washed, but been brought up on the wrong beliefs.

[JD™]

I think most of them have had too much of the wrong education. Not so much brain washed, but been brought up on the wrong beliefs.

They'd probably say the same about you and me. Does that make us right? I for one know I'd be pretty disappointed to find that on my passing there is a 'God' that tells me that actually I should have been burning Poppies if I didn't want to go into an eternal fire. I'll keep my mind open and try to learn as much about every point of view that I can, while still maintaining my love for my country.

[Luke Dunstan]

They'd probably say the same about you and me. Does that make us right? I for one know I'd be pretty disappointed to find that on my passing there is a 'God' that tells me that actually I should have been burning Poppies if I didn't want to go into an eternal fire. I'll keep my mind open and try to learn as much about every point of view that I can, while still maintaining my love for my country.

I'm not saying their religion is wrong, just there 'extremist' beliefs. The fact that you want to listen to what they have to say is impressive, I think most people would find it hard to control themselves. Hats off to you.

[JD™]

I'm not saying their religion is wrong, just there 'extremist' beliefs. The fact that you want to listen to what they have to say is impressive, I think most people would find it hard to control themselves. Hats off to you.

Sounded like I was being aggro towards you, but I wasn't. Just enjoying the debate in here, there's some interesting points being made as well as some properly stupid ones!

[Tomm]

TL;DR

Seems like the real story is what kind of asshole editor at the Daily Mail thinks this is worthy news, and why is the editorial team intent on inciting racial hatred (P.S. Isn't there a law against that?).

[murph82]

You asked me a question with a whole load of assumptions, so I threw them back at you. Don't throw your toys out because you can't handle being treated the same way you're treating others.

Yea, we're on the same side. I just don't come on here shouting about how it's an 'outrage' because that's f**king futile. I sure as hell don't let it slide though. Living in Croydon keeps me in regular contact with some pretty dodgy characters. Not a whole lot of extremists, but there's definitely some. Some of them were around yesterday in support of the whole poppy burning situation. Instead of coming on here and writing in the angry thread or creating a thread about not believing in immigration (?) I approached them and got locked into a bit of a debate. It didn't end perfectly, because I didn't have a whole heap of time so I had to go down the aforementioned 'kindly go f**k yourself, and keep your views to yourself while living here' route.

Actions, not words. No, I don't want a medal, I just want more people to actively engage these people in conversation to help them understand what it is they are doing. Their views come from a lack of education, as do a lot of our own.

I wasn't throwing my toys out but what you have been saying accussing me of being uneducated pissed me right off as this is a subject i have strong views on.I'm man enough to apologise and say I think I have misinterpreted some of your posts. The way I read it is that you were one of these people who talk about something from the outside, the types that freely argue that there is nothing wrong with what happened yesterday and that everythings ok with it. I'm all for helping people in need, i do it for a living, but when people of a section of society frequently do things to massivley piss people off that are having to accept them is an absolute liberty. The big problem with things like this on a forum is that a lot can be lost in translation as its faceless and you cant read someones face as well as the text.