Muslim Protesters...

[casualjoe]

Well i cant remember anywhere in the Koran that tells them to kill people! (and yes l have read it for R.E studies) these "extremists" should be delt with with zero tolerance.

I read the Qur'an a while ago and I remember reading that if anybody tries to stop you from practising Islam, you should kill them (can't remember exact wording). I remember thinking this must be the one line that extremists use to justify their actions.

I also believe that the Qur'an was written to scare people into Islam, to get the masses under control. While reading it I started thinking 'shit, I better start worshipping Allah or my afterlife is gonna be horrible!' After reading on, the intentions behind the Qu'ran became clear.

I do think Ramadan is a lovely idea though

Edited November 13, 2010 by casualjoe

[Sponge]

Ah, yet another post from you disagreeing with people then trying to call them out based on age

Seeing as I'm older than you, does that mean I get to call you 'Child'?

No.

Sorry, but you've got something very confused here.

Nothing to do with actual age. Hence the italics. It's to do with the fact that a lot of people (not all) are generally very misinformed and under-informed about historical facts and events. It's more to do with ignorance and narrow-mindedness that stems from a form of immaturity. If people in my course (International Relations) spoke about Muslims in this kind of dogmatic and narrow view in a seminar discussion with tutors... they wouldn't be taken seriously for the rest of their uni years by any of the tutors. My dad works for the UN as a diplomat, and I've been through private education since young so I've seen some of the most snobbish rich kids and parents who are so ignorant towards anything that's 'alien' to them. Then again, I've seen some of the smartest well-rounded people through school who take a more diplomatic and empathetic approach to issues like Muslim protesters; at the same time all the colleagues at my dad's office who didn't get to where they are now by being ignorant towards other cultures and what actually happened in history. A few of those colleagues are actually pure-blood English who've said though they remember and mourn for their family members and ancestors that died in wars, they feel ashamed at what Britain has done to the so many countries throughout history.

Like I said, I'm not Muslim, nor do I advocate the disrespectful things they put into action like in that article. However, I can't help but raise an eyebrow at people who go on psycho-fueled racist attacks against a minority (in this case: Muslims) and labelling all of them in a negative light. I've nothing personal against the people who post pretty demonic things about these Muslims, I'm just not sold on the ignorance and sudden hate wave that bears very weak grounds for proper educated discussion.

Skimming through a few pages however, there are a few people who seem to see things in a more broad view, some of which I agree with, one example being one of your first posts in this topic.

I'm not here to start any arguments or initiate bitch-fests, and again, physical age has nothing to do with it. I was just pretty shocked to see how badly some people reacted to this. I can understand why they might want to say such things, but that's not to say it's right either.

But yeah, sorry if the way it was phrased seemed I was acting biased against people purely on their age! Not at all. Otherwise I'd be the most ignorant one in the village! Haha, it's up to you! I wouldn't mind being called 'Child' in a reply email from TartyBikes Being 16 sure was a lot easier than being 20!

Edited November 13, 2010 by Ares

[Mark W]

I also believe that the Qur'an was written to scare people into Islam, to get the masses under control. While reading it I started thinking 'shit, I better start worshipping Muhammed or my afterlife is gonna be horrible!' After reading on, the intentions behind the Qu'ran became clear.

Oh, now where have I heard that before?

Oh yeah, there we are.

Almost all religions are based on the fear of what could happen to you if you don't worship their deity. Almost all religions have fanatics who feel the need to convert others.

[casualjoe]

Agreed

edit: Which is a reason why we see so much hostility towards religious communities, most people would rather they just woke up to the world and stopped believing that they 'know' anything about higher order. It would cause way less grief.

Edited November 13, 2010 by casualjoe

[JD™]

Agreed

edit: Which is a reason why we see so much hostility towards religious communities, most people would rather they just woke up to the world and stopped believing that they 'know' anything about higher order. It would cause way less grief.

But human beings, as a whole, will always reach towards an answer. If they can't find a plausible one then they will create an implausible one. For instance, I have no idea why it took me 3 hours to get home from London tonight. I assume it is because the jadoyjka tree decided so.

[Token]

Firstly, you idiot, that's a bit of a large difference. A car crash is different to willingly inhaling poisons and spending money to do so. Seems like suicide to me pretty much. Why should tax payers pay for their operations from their own stupidity?

Secondly, did you go to university? If so who payed for you to go? I admit, I'm 16, I not completly in the know on this but seems unfair that millions of people before have gone for much lower prices than what I will be paying, if I can afford to go.

And I know I was exaggerating on the obese people are a majority. But still, from 2006 -

* 114,000 of the 12 million smokers in the UK die each year as a result of their habit.

* 20% of adults in the UK are obese, and one in four children are overweight, making Britain the fattest country in Europe.

A car crash caused by your own reckless action is fundamentally the same in this respect as smoking, you know they both cause harm but you don't smoke because you want to die just like you don't drive like an idiot because you want to die, you do them both because you have the right to make your own decisions on what you do in your life. So no there is no difference.

And no I didn't go to University, instead I joined the royal air force so I could come to shitholes like the one I'm in now at the risk of being blown up to earn a shitty wage and pay tax so 16 year olds like yourself can moan about how hard your going to have it.

[MadManMike]

Haha, the last bit topped it off wonderfully. I would give you a high five if you were in the same room as me.

[Scott Gibbs]

Token that as awesome dude!

[bikeperson45]

A car crash caused by your own reckless action is fundamentally the same in this respect as smoking, you know they both cause harm but you don't smoke because you want to die just like you don't drive like an idiot because you want to die, you do them both because you have the right to make your own decisions on what you do in your life. So no there is no difference.

And no I didn't go to University, instead I joined the royal air force so I could come to shitholes like the one I'm in now at the risk of being blown up to earn a shitty wage and pay tax so 16 year olds like yourself can moan about how hard your going to have it.

Okay, I'm not going to argue about driving vs smoking because that seems pretty pointless now, although I still see a difference between smoking and driving.

And I'm not going to reply specifically about the last part either because I respect you too much.

Edited November 14, 2010 by bikeperson45

[PeanuckleJive]

And I'm not going to reply specifically about the last part either because you pretty much just handed my ass to me on a plate

Fix'd

[bikeperson45]

Fix'd

No, I still see flaws in the logic due to the choice element of it, but I still have a lot of respect for soldiers.

[Tomm]

What's him being a soldier got to do with it? We'd love to hear your argument

[Fish-Finger-er]

And no I didn't go to University, instead I joined the royal air force so I could come to shitholes like the one I'm in now at the risk of being blown up to earn a shitty wage and pay tax so 16 year olds like yourself can moan about how hard your going to have it.

dont lie you joined the RAF for the free haircuts and so you could work on your tan. ps. I need you back in the shire.

[anzo]

And no I didn't go to University, instead I joined the royal air force so I could come to shitholes like the one I'm in now at the risk of being blown up to earn a shitty wage and pay tax so 16 year olds like yourself can moan about how hard your going to have it.

Your choice?

[Token]

Your choice?

I was forced into it by my pimp, yeah it was my choice. I don't take my anger out on fat people or smokers though or anyone really, I was just giving him a reality check.

[bikeperson45]

Well, I wouldn't think of it as a reality check since I think I have a pretty good perspective on reality. I was thinking along the lines of the choice side of being in the army and how I don't even know what's being thought for, neither has anyone else I've asked although it's not like I'm asking Tony Blair. Some say terrorists, some say oil...

And with the car/smoking thing, driving is done for a reason and smoking isn't, not really. It's just something people do out of boredom and addiction and I think that if your willingly smoking the NHS shouldn't pay for treatment. Why should everybody else have to pay for their treatment? But then why should you have to pay for to go to university? I agree with there and think people have chosen not to go to university shouldn't have to pay tax on that part, everyone who has gone to university should since that's just fair enough.

[tomturd]

Well, I wouldn't think of it as a reality check since I think I have a pretty good perspective on reality. I was thinking along the lines of the choice side of being in the army and how I don't even know what's being thought for, neither has anyone else I've asked although it's not like I'm asking Tony Blair. Some say terrorists, some say oil...

And with the car/smoking thing, driving is done for a reason and smoking isn't, not really. It's just something people do out of boredom and addiction and I think that if your willingly smoking the NHS shouldn't pay for treatment. Why should everybody else have to pay for their treatment? But then why should you have to pay for to go to university? I agree with there and think people have chosen not to go to university shouldn't have to pay tax on that part, everyone who has gone to university should since that's just fair enough.

Erm..

Last time I checked, the government gained £8.8 billion in taxes from cigarettes, and spent £5 billion on treating smoking related diseases on the NHS.

So, you'll probably find that smokers are in fact paying for your heathcare.

Edited November 15, 2010 by tomturd
Updated figures and added urls.

[bikeperson45]

Erm..

Last time I checked, the government gained £8.8 billion in taxes from cigarettes, and spent £5 billion on treating smoking related diseases on the NHS.

So, you'll probably find that smokers are in fact paying for your heathcare.

This sums up my facial expression quite nicely -

[Token]

And with the car/smoking thing, driving is done for a reason and smoking isn't, not really.

But then why should you have to pay for to go to university? I agree with there and think people have chosen not to go to university shouldn't have to pay tax on that part, everyone who has gone to university should since that's just fair enough.

To the first point I still don't think you've fully read what I wrote, I said driving recklessly or like an idiot which isn't really done for a reason so it's similar if not the same in this respect to the point of smoking. I can use a different description if your still struggling.

To the second point if you think people who don't go to University shouldn't pay tax and those who do go should pay tax, then that's just the same as you having to pay for your own tuition which from what I gather is what you're annoyed about.

[bikeperson45]

To the first point I still don't think you've fully read what I wrote, I said driving recklessly or like an idiot which isn't really done for a reason so it's similar if not the same in this respect to the point of smoking. I can use a different description if your still struggling.

I'm assuming people aren't driving purely for being reckless though. Sure, some people may be bad drivers but if they crash it's not like they intended to where as it's hard to say that you didn't intend on smoking ,as if it just fell in your mouth while you were inhaling.

To the second point if you think people who don't go to University shouldn't pay tax and those who do go should pay tax, then that's just the same as you having to pay for your own tuition which from what I gather is what you're annoyed about.

If I hadn't gone to university for what ever reason, be it out of choice or not being able to afford it, I would be annoyed. I think that the fees should be subsidised by the government to an extent and the rest made up through taxes of people who have been or going to university. I think it's ridiculous that only the wealthy get to go to university (like World Challenge, pretty much a way of buying UCAS points) and should be based on who realistically would benefit most from it.

[Luke Rainbird]

I think it's ridiculous that only the wealthy get to go to university

People who are worse off get given massive bursaries etc, and considerably more financial support than those from more privileged backgrounds...

It should be all or nothing, either way. A level playing field for everyone. Everybody gets the same amount of financial support from the uni/government, job done.

[bikeperson45]

Too much inequality, I suppose.

We're supposed to be complaining about Muslims anyway

[Matt Vandart]

I read the Qur'an a while ago and I remember reading that if anybody tries to stop you from practising Islam, you should kill them (can't remember exact wording). I remember thinking this must be the one line that extremists use to justify their actions.

I also believe that the Qur'an was written to scare people into Islam, to get the masses under control. While reading it I started thinking 'shit, I better start worshipping Allah or my afterlife is gonna be horrible!' After reading on, the intentions behind the Qu'ran became clear.

I do think Ramadan is a lovely idea though

WTF?????????

On the immigration note:

If you are not of pure Welsh or Cornish decent you are the descendant of an immigrant, so f**k off back to YOUR own country.......................................................

Immigration is not only necessary it is part of the whole design of nature.

The sooner humans get it in their head that borders are a big pile of bullshit the sooner all this crap can be stopped.

There is only one planet that we can currently inhabit, it belongs to everyone and so do the natural resources.

It is the unfair distribution of these resources and wealth that causes all this pain.

The general public is constantly being manipulated by the rich in order to secure their richness.

They are not only stealing the resources from the poorer countries they are stealing it from each and everyone of us.

In the words of Flavour flav.

Don't believe the hype.

That is all.

[casualjoe]

WTF?????????

Wholeheartedly agree with the veteran there, the people of earth really need to rise up in the masses as a unified species, hopefully one day the internet will make this possible.

Q. 9:5 is the dodgy verse.

http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/q9_5_29.html didn't read the analysis but the first paragraph shows that I didn't read it out of context or anything.

[Luke Dunstan]

If you are not of pure Welsh or Cornish decent you are the descendant of an immigrant, so f**k off back to YOUR own country.......................................................

Pretty glad I'm Cornish then.

In the words of Flavour flav, lol.